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Re: Gun Registry

Postby TPM » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:26 am

In fact, all guns, during the second world war, were registered, for this purpose. Since that time, restricted firearms remained registered.



I still have a registration certificate for a gun from back then. I also still have the gun to go with it. It belonged to my father and he said he had to take it down to the police station back in 1942 (?) and register it. I'll see if I can get pic of it and post it. Interesting bit of history.
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby DirtyGun » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:11 pm

Final vote set for Wednesday evening. Count on it passing. Then it's just a matter of tradition in The Senate. To borrow and paraphrase a Liberal MP when C-391 was defeated...NOW the debate is over.
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby Spence » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:52 pm

Just for curiosity, when you carry your rifle which way does it naturally want to point?


My rifle naturally wants to point left. Go figure.
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby Pydpiper » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:52 am

Spence wrote:Just for curiosity, when you carry your rifle which way does it naturally want to point?


My rifle naturally wants to point left. Go figure.


Perhaps you should set your rifle down and have a good talk with it, remind it that it has no free will and should point where you choose to point it.
Mine points up when I carry it on a sling, if it is in my hands it is pointing in the safest possible direction. Or if everything goes right, it is pointing at my quarry.

Sounds like today is the big day for the registry! Woo!
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby wheelie » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:06 am

Will be time to sell guns and buy new ones. I don't believe the records will be destroyed. Likely have copies of the files elsewhere.
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby Pydpiper » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:37 am

wheelie wrote:Will be time to sell guns and buy new ones. I don't believe the records will be destroyed. Likely have copies of the files elsewhere.


Even if they kept the records they would be useless almost instantaneously.
Thousands of firearms will change hands every day, so records of where they were today will not be relevant to where they are tomorrow.
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby DirtyGun » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:21 am

Wheelie, the legislation clearly states that all of the information in the registry will be destroyed. How many times does Minister Toews have to say "the data IS the registry". Due to the manner in which the legislation is written, the government could, theoretically, be held in contempt if the data is not destroyed. Why do you think there is such a huge uproar from the opposition? The Conservatives are clearly placing legislation in place that will destroy all the data so no future government can resurrect it. That's the whole point, or this legislation would not be needed! Legislation could have been introduced to just not require any future long guns to be registered, but, that's not how it's written.
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby Big58cal » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:28 am

Guess the opposition is kicking themselves now for defeating the private member's bill a year or so ago that just did away with the registry but didn't destroy the data, huh? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby wheelie » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:51 am

DirtyGun wrote:Wheelie, the legislation clearly states that all of the information in the registry will be destroyed. How many times does Minister Toews have to say "the data IS the registry". Due to the manner in which the legislation is written, the government could, theoretically, be held in contempt if the data is not destroyed. Why do you think there is such a huge uproar from the opposition? The Conservatives are clearly placing legislation in place that will destroy all the data so no future government can resurrect it. That's the whole point, or this legislation would not be needed! Legislation could have been introduced to just not require any future long guns to be registered, but, that's not how it's written.


Yah Yah. At least it won't be used against anyone when it passes.
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby DirtyGun » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:19 am

But don't go burning your registration certificates, or shooting them up, or shredding them, or failing to carry them on you just yet folks...

...C-19 will pass this evening, but it's not due to hit the Senate until February 27th. It'll be toward the end of March before it receives Royal Ascent and becomes enshrined in our laws.
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby Sliver » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:41 pm

Good News

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/tory-bill-end-long-gun-registry-comes-final-155011942.html
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby Pydpiper » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:49 pm

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Re: Gun Registry

Postby DirtyGun » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:12 pm

Corks popping all over around these parts... :lol:

It's only the beginning...now that we have taken the beach, time to move inland. It won't be a short fight...but a worthwhile one.

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Re: Gun Registry

Postby robertyb » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:25 pm

Congrats guys. I sort of took offense at this though..

Toews said the registry — created by Jean Chretien's Liberal government following the massacre of 14 women at Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique on Dec. 6, 1989 — is "a billion-dollar boondoggle" that does nothing but penalize law-abiding hunters and farmers.

"It does nothing to help put an end to gun crime, nor has it saved one Canadian life," he argued.

However, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has argued strenuously in favour of keeping the registry, calling it an essential law enforcement tool. The association says police consult the registry, on average, more than 10,000 times a day, often to determine the possible presence of a shotgun or rifle in a home where they've received a domestic violence call.


Here in the good ole USA it is pretty much taken for granted by all LEOs that there will probably be a gun present in your home. Rarely are they a problem. I am 62 and have carried a handgun almost every day since I turned 21 (actually more like 18). Never had one jump out and shoot someone or anything. Have bookoos of guns around the house and none of them have ever jumped out and shot anyone either even though several stay loaded (just in case of emergency).

Last time a LEO noticed I was carrying he simply asked if I was and then wanted to see my weapon as he carried the same one off duty and had never seen a wallet holster for the Ruger LCP. He liked mine and showed me his a few months later when I saw him again.

I hope you guys end up getting all your gun rights back.
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Re: Gun Registry

Postby DirtyGun » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:35 pm

The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police may have argued that point, however, their front line officers say otherwise!

In a poll conducted by Calgary Police Service Constable Randy Kuntz of front line police officers, more than 85% of respondants stated that the Long Gun Registry was absolutely useless to them in performing their duties.

The front line cops knew that when it came right down to it (past tense...YEAH!!), the Long Gun Registry was useless to them and that in the end, good old fashioned police work was what closed investigations, not a database full of often incorrect information.
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