Grizzly huntin in BC

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Grizzly huntin in BC

Post by agingcrossbower » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:43 pm

Is it true that Grizzly hunting in British Colombia has been ban??

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Re: Grizzly huntin in BC

Post by IronNoggin » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:16 pm

agingcrossbower wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:43 pm
Is it true that Grizzly hunting in British Colombia has been ban??
Yes, sadly that is true. :cry:
The NDP (Socialist) gained power when the Greens joined them in a coalition government. Only ruling by one seat (or maybe it is two).
They openly LIED to the hunting & guiding Community through their campaigns, and after being elected continued that within a sham "consultation" scheme. They promised us over & over the hunt would not be curtailed... And many, fed up with the corruption of the previous liberals, voted for them (I did not).

The Auditor General's Report clearly indicated that hunting was more than sustainable, to which the new government readily agreed.
But then they decided to proceed with the ban, noting themselves that this was not being done based on Science, but rather the emotions of their largely urban support base. What that represents is a complete abandonment of the North American Wildlife Management Model - one who's renowned success is second to none...

"The British Columbia government is bringing an end to the hunting of grizzly bears throughout the province, Doug Donaldson, Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development, and George Heyman, Minister of Environment and Climate Change Strategy, announced today."

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2017FLNR0372-002065

And the more than a little scary conclusion:

"The government will also be moving forward with a broader consultation process on a renewed wildlife management strategy for the province in the new year."

Say goodbye to Science under these fools. :roll:

More: http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ndp-government-kills-plan-for-food-hunt-of-b-c-grizzly-bears

Emboldened by the perceived (and real) government support for their hare-brained ideals, the anti's are now ramping up efforts to try and shut down many more hunts:

"Purchasing the remaining commercial trophy hunting rights in the Great Bear Rainforest, coupled with the province’s ban on grizzly hunting, is a significant step towards our goal of ending all large carnivore trophy hunting on the coast."

"The sale guards against future shifts in government policy that could reverse the ban on grizzly hunting, while also ensuring that trophy hunting interests cannot continue the recreational hunting of black bears, wolves, cougars or wolverine."


https://www.raincoast.org/2017/11/next-step-for-safeguarding-large-carnivores-in-the-great-bear-rainforest/

ANYTHING they can toss the "trophy" label on is now up for grabs...
Already they are openly discussing how to shut down not just the predator hunts, but sheep, goats and moose...

I wouldn't be so quick to suggest there will be no hunt sales though...

The FNs have been holding secret closed door meetings with the government over this very issue - for over three months now. Those who attended these negotiations suggested they were "quite satisfied" with the outcome...

Here's an interesting little tidbit the socialist government announcement failed to mention: Of the registered Grizzly Bear Hunt Outfitters in BC, TWENTY-SIX (including by far the largest) are owned and operated by First Nations. Can't help but notice the mention of "treaty rights" in the announcement. And given they have been selling these hunts for quite some, would not the "traditional activity" clause apply? My bet is that if this has not already been quietly agreed to, some are more than willing to find out...

Another consideration for you: Given the FN "right" to continued harvest, given the complete removal of all other sources within the province, just how much is that head & hide worth now? Pretty certain they have already made a case for the sell, barter trade mechanism to kick in with wildlife "by-products"...

In my opinion, anyone that thinks these hunts have just been stopped should give their head a very serious shake!
Must be nice to have complete control of the access to these hunts, and apparently this misguided "government" as well...

Long and short of it is wildlife and wildland management in BC just went to hell in a handbasket.
With the socialists leading the charge, they are ramping up to "manage" these resources based upon the emotions of city folks who are blissfully ignorant of how anything in nature actually works. Many of these types are literally raving lunatics, whose chosen goal in life is to shut down all hunting period.

This has a LOT of us running a little scared.
Can our wildlife survive long enough to outlive this wacked out government & their lunatic fringe supporters?
Only time will tell...

Sadly,
Matt
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Re: Grizzly huntin in BC

Post by agingcrossbower » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:07 pm

So sorry to hear that Iron. We have our socialists down here to. Raving lunatics is a good description of them. :(

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Post by janesy » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:15 pm

Just look at how banning a black bear hunt in ON worked out. LOL, bears everywhere.
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Post by janesy » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:17 pm

Then again, look at how anything ever works out in ON
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Re: Grizzly huntin in BC

Post by IronNoggin » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:54 pm

I found this to be a rather refreshing take on the matter. Posted here for all those that choose not to look at Facebook:

"Thomas Sewid:

As a First Nations hunter who enjoys hunting bears, I am not in favor of this ban on grizzly bear hunting for all non-native resident hunters of B.C. I find it appalling that the N.D.P. will use the grizzly bears as a propaganda ploy for environmental corporations and other B.C. Tribes to garner support.

I now see that a few of my non-native friends I hunt with cannot come out with me to hunt grizzly bears, nor can I go with them if they were to pull a draw for a grizzly tag as we have done before. Those days are now lost forever possibly? Hunting is an integral social component for many of we B.C. residents, but no consultation was done towards the natives and non-natives that have enjoyed hunting bears together for decades.

Having interviewed the natives on the central coast and being educated that since they stopped grizzly bear hunting throughout their traditional territories, the grizzly has increased in numbers where they live. They have seen grizzly bears move to islands where the spirit bear lives and now the spirit bears have disappeared or moved off elsewhere.

Lest we forget our history, it was not too long ago in the late 1990's that a coastal Native tribe had to shoot many grizzly bears that kept coming into their village. This was due to the south coast mainland river salmon crash. I heard a hole was dug and carcass's thrown in and buried. All witnessed and condoned by our Ministry of Environment.
Then there's the two grizzly young pups that swam to Alert Bay and the 2 known shootings of grizzly bear on Vancouver Island in last decade.

Just another example how our politicians and Ministries they run don't have enough scientific population and migration data to make an informed decision regarding the grizzly bears.

It stumps me how my fellow natives will swallow the environmental mandate hook line and sinker without giving any thought to their high unemployment rates within their community's? I personally know how many months one can be employed and how lucrative the income is by being a bear hunting guide.
As a hunter and ex-bear hunting guide, I know how the rich folk look at wildlife. It's all sport for them, fine. What I am concerned with having attended numerous S.C.I. conferences and guided many rich folk, is there's always the need for trophy sized grizzly bear hides for mounts and skulls for collections.

It scares me tho think what has happened to wards salmon, halibut, prawn and crab fisheries will now take place with grizzly bears. Year round First Nations and some non-natives fish and sell what they catch. The N.D.P. has put a huge price tag on our grizzly bears and mark my words the black market hunting of the bears will now commence by many First Nations in every corner of our Province where grizzly bears live.

I am one of the few Indians that has found that being a hunting guide and being an Eco-tourism bear viewing guide can work. If I can do this to generate revenue, so can other First Nations. If we follow this path and cooperate as hunters Native and resident I feel we can put pressure on our Government to see the light so to speak.
If we sit idol and continually fight between non-native hunter and Native individual or Tribe /organization we will soon see the loss of hunting other animals such as cougar, bison, etc. This can be the tip of the iceberg, or if we cooperate and work together - the turning of the tide?

Yes, last week I wrote a post in this group and was attacked by many adamant Indian haters who can never come to a common ground like an environmentalist anti-fish farming Indian. Lets see if it's worth my time to post here and hopefully share some info with people that want to see the grizzly bear hunt for B.C. residents come back instead of being lost forever?"


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Re: Grizzly huntin in BC

Post by xcaliber » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:30 pm

agingcrossbower wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:07 pm
So sorry to hear that Iron. We have our socialists down here to. Raving lunatics is a good description of them. :(
We have a preserve area that is around 1200 acres. It borders two main roads, both are two lane, one in each direction with steep ditches on both sides. Deer are run over all the time, Teens are pulled from the water all the time in the fall & winter. A hunt for archers was scheduled based on a lottery draw after the masses cried about the overpopulation. This was planned for about 8 months prior to the "Go Dates". One week before the drawing, the "Antis" got it shut down. We got more "Signs" posted, deer crossing. We should have posted spam Crash Zone. It's worse than ever, and the deer are starving! Idiots being influenced by morons.
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