2219's or carbons???

[speedball]

what do ya guys think i know alot of you are going back to aluminum's i want the toughness of each but i'm undecided on the bolt, i first wanted to shoot 2216's but they bend too easily,oh and its coming out of a 200 exocet, i think 4" feathers so the what will the weight be for a 2219? [100 grain tip],and what carbon?? gold tips, carbon express?,what

[GaryL]

2216's should not bend that easy on ya!! 2213's a yep be thin. 2219's with feathers and 100gr. BH should be in the 420's in weight. If your going carbon GoldTips or carbon Express would be good. Darn carbons have a bad habit of busting and messing up some meat, however might never happen to you.

[XbowMisiu]

Took three shots with my carbons (excal carbon bolts) at deers this seasons and all of them ended up in pieces... getting a bit tired of this.
On the good side - I did get all my deer. I just have to stop hitting bones.
How do other carbon bolts stand up to this? For ex. Beman brand?
Any opinion?

[speedball]

i shot a buck this year and got half the shaft a gold tip tenpoint bolt broke right after the fletching and continued the rest of the way out, i think the aluminums are for me and the 2219's are it i just wanted some opinions on there use and how tough the are,speed.............

[Big John]

Not sure how fast the 2219's would come out of your exocet, however, I'm shooting a ExMax this season with 2216's loaded with extra weight.

Ex.: 6"in. Bolt Wraps, 4" in. Vanes, Aluminium front and back, 125 gr. Wasp Hammer SST. These have some good weight going and are shooting about 310 fps. from the Max. However they are Laser like in trajectory as well as accuracy and hit like a ton of bricks! When they impact they have a distinct " Thump"!

I also have a ton of Carbon's in different weight's and patterns and style's.
Just wanted to give the aluminium's a chance this season to show off!
Sacrificed a little speed for the change but the animals still don't have a chance.

Some of the Carbon's are coming out at 325 fps to 340's. depending on how they are dressed. I would go with the 2216's if I were you.

[Martin]

I am sorry fellas, but I cant believe what I am reading. Using 2216 on a 200lb xbow! Are you guys serious. I have shot both bows and xbows for 15 years, and used all types of arrows shafts. Wood, plastic, aluminum and carbon. I tell you solomny, once I tried a carbon arrow/bolt, I have not even entertained the thought of trying any other material. Firstly, using a relatively light bolt like a 2216 can have several negative effect on a xbow. Because the bolt is light, you dont transfer enough energy into it, and the rest of the energy is let off as sound, vibration and heat. All detrimental to the xbow. Secondly, over a long period of time it can damage the limbs. Some xbow manufacturers even void a warranty if incorrect weight bolts are used. And another thing, once the bolt is bent it is virtually useless. Some can be staightened, but it is not the same. I agree that the Excal goldtips are a little weak, but at least they dont bend. I have got in the process of making up my own bolts of out safari/rhino Carbon Tech shafts. The thickness of the carbon shaft wall is about 300% greater than that of an Excal carbon bolt, and to date, I have never even been able to damage one. At 15.5 grain/inch they are heavy indeed. However, they are strong enough for bow fishing (something you could never do with an aluminum) and you dont lose your trajectory. I know some people might diagree with this statement. They might say a heavy bolt = less speed = more drop out at the target. I realise this as I have a university physics background. However, I have done it many times over, and the heavy carbons are able to absorb more energy from a 200lb xbow, and they actually gain height over a lighter bolt at 20-50m. My last comment, I use a 225lb exomax and shoot kangaroos and pigs. So far every single shot I have ever fired (I crap you not) has gone straight through the animal!!. I use a cheap simple double bladed Outback broadhead of about 125-130 grains. It is an extremely accurate and efficient set up. So far, every beast that I have shot has not walked more than about 20m from impact, and again I crap you not. This is my humble opinion, however good luck to you, regardless of what you use.

[wabi]

Minimum arrow weight for the Excalibur Phoenix, Exocet 200, and ExoMag is 350 grains. A 2213 is heavy enough to meet warranty requirements, and GoldTip carbons weigh in very near the minimum with 100 grain heads, too.
I went back to aluminums after having broken a carbon in a deer. I've yet to hear of aluminum fibers ruining meat!
I use 2215's in my Phoenix and get great performance. I made up some to try this past summer and liked them, so that's what I'm hunting with. Put 2 thorugh deer so far this season, and haven't bent one yet. I have lost a couple, though. 2216's should be even tougher, so I don't see any big problems with using them.

[Farmer]

I have used 2117 aluminum shafts for many years when that was ," The shaft to use" , as per Excalibur for use in the 165# Exocet. ( that was their big Bow back in the day ) I then started to use cut down 2216 shafts from my vertical bow with 0 trouble

I am now shooting Beeman Thunderbolts with 0 trouble, they are a very tough shaft. I took a small Black bear with this shaft complete pass thru no damage to the shaft what so ever.

All 3 of these shafts ( 2117 , 2216 and the Thunderbolt ) will hit the same point of impact at 40 yards. I use the same shafts for 3d as I do hunting.

2213 will give plenty of speed but are not near as durable as these other shafts. The 2117, 2216 , and Thunderbolt give me the best of all feature speed , penetration and durability.

[speedball]

thanks for all your answers i do agree with them all, but i have to say i think i can mix up 4" feathers with 100 grain tips to end up with around 421-426 grains with a 2219 and have a tough as nails shaft that will last and last it should shoot in the nieghborhood of 300-307 closely resembeling the performance of my tenpoint using carbons,although fun i'm not gonna shoot any kangaroos just whitetails under 35 yards and i think it should work pretty good just gonna have to experiment with the 100 1 1/8" slick tricks on that set up and see how they come off the exocet, i dearly love that head and have taken 5 deer already with them in two years and no way do i want to switch,speed........ anyone taken any deer with a 2219 out of a exocet and if so what kind of performance are you getting

[Nite Stalker...USAF]

Over the last month I have been doing a lot of work on the subject...The XX75- 2219 by EASTON.. This is the one that comes out of my 225 the most deadly ....at 30 yds. using 125 gr. tips... the sound from limbs is cut in half, shooting the heavy shaft and tip....Using the VARI-ZONE Excalibur scope and my home built lead-sled on the bench, we shot many ( at least a dozen ) one inch groups.....and split a lot of arrows.We could not see any difference when we moved out to 32 yards, The light weight Carbon arrows cause the limbs to rattle ....This may not be the same on your Xbow ,but we wasted a lot of arrows doing this testing, and hope it helps some of you....In my 40 years of bow and arrow...this is my most deadly find...good luck all..

[kev]

I favor Carbon shafts, no problems yet.

[pphoenix]

carbon are the only type i've shot soo far with, so i don't really know any better

[Cougar]

I have taken deer with both 2219's and gold tip 22's. End result is still the same, dead deer. The only reason I switched to carbon is the durability factor. I actually harvested 7 deer with the same bolt in carbon, 2 is the most I got out of aluminum, because of it bending. It really doesn,t matter what you use, it is what you like best. The main thing is being out in the woods.

[speedball]

yeah i guess i could find a carbon i liked just so far they seem kinda real good or they shatter like glass, i'm gonna try both 2219's and carbon express bolts i had real good luck with the vert arrows holding up a long time so i guess it is a winner, the gold tips out of the tenpoint didnt last as long as i hoped for the money,speed........