Is this really fair?????? Not to me.

[Tom]

we will start with who i am - Blake Bomberry Jr. (google me) I am the son of a Cayuga Chief. ....................
.........from treaties negotiated by our Chiefs, we retained the Right to hunt fish and gather traditional medicines- that means i can go on any piece of land and do these things and i don't Need permission. I cannot be charged with Trespass or Poaching.- poaching is a term that does not apply to Natives. Treaties supersede any laws enacted that can deprive us of our Right to do these things. those old Chiefs were not so dumb after all, this includes Development. any city county expansion that interferes with our right to do these things has to be addressed and we will need to be compensated...........

First of all ........ Good luck on our hunt bearclan. I support all forms of hunting that is legal.

But your above statement is quite misleading and incorrect in some things. Yes I know your an Inidian and know what the rules are pretaining to your rights. But Native Hunting Rights are Granted on Reserves and specific hunting territory (Native Hunting Grounds) near or arround their Reserves. Off of these hunting grounds, Natives are subjected to regular hunting rules and regulations which everyone else in Ontario are. IF you were to walk onto my property (not an Aborginal hunting ground) and kill an animal out of season, I would have you charged just like I would for anoyone else. Now if my property was located inside a hunting ground, I would probually help you remove the animal after the harvest.

Now I know that most Natives respect the rules and regulations (Ontario and Native), there are still many that disregard them and flaunt that fact. This puts tension between all hunters

Again ..... Good luck and be safe.

Tom

[bearclan]

six nations hunting grounds is basically all of southern Ontario - the Mohawk territory of Wahta in the northwest across to other Mohawks in Kanawake in the east, and to hunt out of our hunting grounds in another nations teritory we just need a letter of permission from that nation and we can hunt their territory too say moose hunting with Cree, I have an uncle from Chissasibi in Quebec and another uncle in Manitoba both who told me to come hunt moose deer or caribou anytime- too damn cold for me tho!

[Boo]

This thread stinks! It has a great potential for people to show the bad side of human nature. If this thread belongs anywhere at all it should be in other topics where friends can become enemies.

[one shot scott]

six nations hunting grounds is basically all of southern Ontario - the Mohawk territory of Wahta in the northwest across to other Mohawks in Kanawake in the east, and to hunt out of our hunting grounds in another nations teritory we just need a letter of permission from that nation and we can hunt their territory too say moose hunting with Cree, I have an uncle from Chissasibi in Quebec and another uncle in Manitoba both who told me to come hunt moose deer or caribou anytime- too damn cold for me tho!

So you're saying that you are allowed to hunt anywhere you want in southern ontario, on rez or off, & at any time, and the only thing required is if you hunt at/on another reservation, you just need a letter of permission from the visiting reservation?

[Tom]

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So you're saying that you are allowed to hunt anywhere you want in southern ontario, on rez or off, and the only thing required is if you hunt at/on another reservation, you just need a letter of permission from the visiting reservation?

I have been invited by an Indian to come and hunt on the Reservation and Hunting Grounds as his and the Chief's guest. My understanding is that anyone (native or non-native) can hunt on land with the primission from the chief. The MNR disagrees with that, saying only that natives can legally do this, but when Indians can govern themselves, they can make their own rules for hunting on their Hunting Gorunds.

I was invited as a guest as I did a good deed for a stranded Native. I did decline the invite as I do not need the possible hassles with the MNR, but I did thank them for the offer.

But I have only met one MNR officer that would check and charge Natives (up north) on the Native Hunting Grounds. HE was either very brave, or very stupid. In that area, most of all the Natives I have met follow the rules from the Reservations. But a few that hunted Moose at night with high powered rifles and lights, I believe crossed the lines.

[bearclan]

this link is a map showing ontario and different first nations locations- so basically most of ontario is somebodies hunting grounds- http://www.aboriginalaffairs.gov.on.ca/ ... ULL%29.jpg

[IH8ATTN]

this link is a map showing ontario and different first nations locations- so basically most of ontario is somebodies hunting grounds- http://www.aboriginalaffairs.gov.on.ca/ ... ULL%29.jpg

Okay, just to clarify, lets say I had property in wmu 88 and you got permission from the Chief to hunt there, anytime you could hunt even though its my land I pay property tax on? Just trying to get all the facts straight here.

[bearclan]

I didn't even know which area that was- had to look it up, but yes have hunted in that WMU already, i have hunted in about 6 different WMU i would say. it is within our hunting grounds. Strike up a conversation with any OPP or CO and ask them where Six Nations hunters can go. I have hunted from London to Falls, from Flamboro to port Dover

[TPM]

six nations hunting grounds is basically all of southern Ontario

Interesting. I was always of the understanding that in terms of hunting and fishing the only off-reservation land covered under the Treaties was Crown land. I didn't realize it covered private land also.

[huntman]

If all this is true and I found a six nation hunter on my private land, we would have a big problem on our hands. Enough said!!

[bearclan]

here is a link shows how much land we started with and how much we currently have, and remember - retained the Right to hunt and fish on these lands, and the lands covered under Nanfan treaty.
http://www.sixnations.ca/LRHaldProc.htm

[newbie]

This thread stinks! It has a great potential for people to show the bad side of human nature. If this thread belongs anywhere at all it should be in other topics where friends can become enemies.

X2

[Boo]

Before things get carried a way.
Aboriginals cannot hunt on private land, whether or not it is posted, unless:
a) they have implied or express permission;
b) they can demonstrate they had access to these lands by custom (traditional hunting lands);
c) they can demonstrate they had access to these lands by usage (traditional hunting lands).
http://www.sicc.sk.ca/archive/saskindian/a85sep18.htm

[robertyb]

Before things get carried a way.
Aboriginals cannot hunt on private land, whether or not it is posted, unless:
a) they have implied or express permission;
b) they can demonstrate they had access to these lands by custom (traditional hunting lands);
c) they can demonstrate they had access to these lands by usage (traditional hunting lands).
http://www.sicc.sk.ca/archive/saskindian/a85sep18.htm

Dang Don. Putting FACTS before people just cofuses them worse. They already KNOW what they think they know.

[one shot scott]

That's not the way I read it