Micro 335 -vs- Ontario Hunting Regs

[awndray]

Power Stroke: 9.5"

http://www.excaliburcrossbow.com/catalo ... /micro_335

Crossbows must have a draw length of at least 300 mm (11.8 in.) and a draw weight of at least 54 kilograms (119 lb.). At a minimum bolts must have a 22 mm (0.87 in.) wide head with at least two sharp cutting edges.

https://www.ontario.ca/environment-and- ... ns-summary

I was about to buy a one this evening, but something told me to wait up. I remembered reading something, but I couldn't quite figure out where. Then I checked the Regs, and my wallet thanked me.

Am I the only one who's disappointed?

[galamb]

Power stroke is not the same as draw length.

If Excalibur would add a draw length spec to their numbers it would save a lot of headaches.

Draw length is measured from where the forward portion of the limbs meet the rail back to where the string is cocked.

Power stroke is measured from the string at rest back to where it's cocked.

If you measure the "draw length" I think you will find the Micro "exceeds" 11.8".



Consider a vertical recurve bow. My draw length is 30" but my "brace height" is just about 8" (resulting in a 22" "power stroke") - if you subtract my 8" brace height (string to the outside of the riser) that doesn't mean I have a 22" draw length - right??

[racking up points]

Go back and buy it! Better hurry!

[awndray]

"That's a relief", said no wallet of mine.

Thanks for the explanation. Much appreciated.

[ehntr]

Power stroke is not the same as draw length.

If Excalibur would add a draw length spec to their numbers it would save a lot of headaches.
Draw length is measured from where the forward portion of the limbs meet the rail back to where the string is cocked.

Power stroke is measured from the string at rest back to where it's cocked.

If you measure the "draw length" I think you will find the Micro "exceeds" 11.8".



Consider a vertical recurve bow. My draw length is 30" but my "brace height" is just about 8" (resulting in a 22" "power stroke") - if you subtract my 8" brace height (string to the outside of the riser) that doesn't mean I have a 22" draw length - right??

Crossbow innovation has overtaken how regs in lots of states are described. Regs have been overtaken by events in technology. In my mind a crossbows draw length has NEVER been an indicator of power and that is what the regs are trying to imply. Draw length is something a compound bow user is concerned with and even a trad bow to a lesser degree. Power stroke and draw weight are indicators that dictate crossbow performance. I say get rid of any reference to draw length. Excalibur has it right.......the regs have it wrong. Again the whole idea behind the description of a crossbow in the regs is to restrict crossbows of insufficient power from being used to hunt game. Imagine that the Micro is not sufficiently powered (snap out of it)?

[racking up points]

Power stroke is not the same as draw length.

If Excalibur would add a draw length spec to their numbers it would save a lot of headaches.
Draw length is measured from where the forward portion of the limbs meet the rail back to where the string is cocked.

Power stroke is measured from the string at rest back to where it's cocked.

If you measure the "draw length" I think you will find the Micro "exceeds" 11.8".



Consider a vertical recurve bow. My draw length is 30" but my "brace height" is just about 8" (resulting in a 22" "power stroke") - if you subtract my 8" brace height (string to the outside of the riser) that doesn't mean I have a 22" draw length - right??

Crossbow innovation has overtaken how regs in lots of states are described. Regs have been overtaken by events in technology. In my mind a crossbows draw length has NEVER been an indicator of power and that is what the regs are trying to imply. Draw length is something a compound bow user is concerned with and even a trad bow to a lesser degree. Power stroke and draw weight are indicators that dictate crossbow performance. I say get rid of any reference to draw length. Excalibur has it right.......the regs have it wrong. Again the whole idea behind the description of a crossbow in the regs is to restrict crossbows of insufficient power from being used to hunt game. Imagine that the Micro is not sufficiently powered (snap out of it)?

It's a federal law that restricts the use of hand-held crossbows. The law is in place to make these short-draw, hand-held crossbows illegal, so it has little to do with Ontario's hunting regs. Any bow exceeding the limits they have in the regs would be subject to seizure and criminal charges. I do agree however that the laws need to catch up with the times...case in point the New York law restricting draw weight to 200# and the states that still outlaw xbows from archery seasons.

[awndray]

So, having said all of this, can somebody confirm what the draw length is on the Micro?

I found this in another thread. Is it accurate?

The draw length of the Micro is approximately 13.75".

People can't seem to agree in these threads. Why isn't there an official answer anywhere from Excalibur? I understand it's all open to interpretation and the CO's can't seem to all agree, but isn't there a definitive answer somewhere?

http://www.excaliburcrossbow.com/phpBB2 ... =1&t=51408
http://www.excaliburcrossbow.com/phpBB2 ... =1&t=51601

[mr meat]

lets just say this! if the bow was not legal in ontario Excalibur would not be making them your selling them

[ehntr]

Power stroke is not the same as draw length.

If Excalibur would add a draw length spec to their numbers it would save a lot of headaches.
Draw length is measured from where the forward portion of the limbs meet the rail back to where the string is cocked.

Power stroke is measured from the string at rest back to where it's cocked.

If you measure the "draw length" I think you will find the Micro "exceeds" 11.8".



Consider a vertical recurve bow. My draw length is 30" but my "brace height" is just about 8" (resulting in a 22" "power stroke") - if you subtract my 8" brace height (string to the outside of the riser) that doesn't mean I have a 22" draw length - right??

Crossbow innovation has overtaken how regs in lots of states are described. Regs have been overtaken by events in technology. In my mind a crossbows draw length has NEVER been an indicator of power and that is what the regs are trying to imply. Draw length is something a compound bow user is concerned with and even a trad bow to a lesser degree. Power stroke and draw weight are indicators that dictate crossbow performance. I say get rid of any reference to draw length. Excalibur has it right.......the regs have it wrong. Again the whole idea behind the description of a crossbow in the regs is to restrict crossbows of insufficient power from being used to hunt game. Imagine that the Micro is not sufficiently powered (snap out of it)?

It's a federal law that restricts the use of hand-held crossbows. The law is in place to make these short-draw, hand-held crossbows illegal, so it has little to do with Ontario's hunting regs. Any bow exceeding the limits they have in the regs would be subject to seizure and criminal charges. I do agree however that the laws need to catch up with the times...case in point the New York law restricting draw weight to 200# and the states that still outlaw xbows from archery seasons.

This discussion has nothing to do with handheld crossbows. The Canadian law on those is: "Crossbows that can be aimed and fired with one hand and crossbows with an overall length of 500 mm or less are prohibited. You cannot lawfully possess or acquire a prohibited crossbow". The Ontario hunting regulations requirement posted at the very top does not discuss handheld crossbows which are already prohibited. The ON Hunting Regs seek to disqualify crossbows which are not deemed to be of sufficient power. Excalibur does not make a hunting crossbow that is not allowed to be used in ON.

[way123hockey]

So, having said all of this, can somebody confirm what the draw length is on the Micro?

I found this in another thread. Is it accurate?

The draw length of the Micro is approximately 13.75".

The draw length for the Micro is 13.75" so go ahead and open up that wallet.

[awndray]

lets just say this! if the bow was not legal in ontario Excalibur would not be making them your selling them

Let's be clear about the term "legal". The crossbow could still be legal while not meeting the requirements of the Ontario hunting regs. That Ontario has these regs is not Excalibur's fault. One can still buy a crossbow for activities other than hunting big game. Many companies manufacture products which are perfectly legal, but cannot be used under specified circumstances. Think of the automotive industry. How many aftermarket parts are sold every year, but do not meet DOT regulations?

So, having said all of this, can somebody confirm what the draw length is on the Micro?

I found this in another thread. Is it accurate?

The draw length of the Micro is approximately 13.75".

The draw length for the Micro is 13.75" so go ahead and open up that wallet.

Thanks.