Crown Land Cash!

BUCKSHOT · Post by **BUCKSHOT** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:48 pm

In mid September I went to hunt an awesome piece of crown land in Parry Sound!
While I was driving in, I noticed that many of the healthiest looking Birch Trees were stripped of thier bark!
At first I was very angry because I thought that these trees would be ruined! After I discussed it with an experienced Woodsman I learned that the Birch would re-grow it's bark if it had been stripped properley!
He also told me that the bark was probably harvested to make horns for Moose calling! Ironically the next week there were all kinds of Birch Bark Moose Calls for sale at CDN Tire!
Is it o.k for us to harvest things other than Wildlife from Crownland?
For a profit?

GREY OWL · Post by **GREY OWL** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:00 pm

It would be interesting to know if birch regrows its bark. A damn little porcupine came by this fall, striping the bark of dozens of birch trees on our property. If the bark grows back, I'll leave the trees be, but if it doesn't, it looks like I'll have some awesome firewood.

Do the trees on this Crown land have knife marks on the trunk, or striped close to the ground, about three feet up. Either way you can easily tell, if its porcupines, there's distinct teeth marks.

Grey Owl

BUCKSHOT · Post by **BUCKSHOT** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:57 am

You can tell they have been cut very easily!
From about three feet up to about eight feet up! About forty trees that I could see, cut and peeled. Just a layer or two, not peeled down to the wood and not cut deep where it is rung around the tree!
Who ever did it was very particular about the trees they selected and they did a very neat job! It was weird to see untill I learned why it was done!
I would still like to know if it is legal to profit from a harvest like that!

Adrian J Hare · Post by **Adrian J Hare** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:53 am

Buckshot , He could have been selling them on his own , but I can't see Canadian Tire buying them unless the store is privatly owned and the owner was the one paying out of his own pocket. Its just not that easy to walk into a store and sell products to Large stores like this, Unless the owner of the store was the one that did the job in the first place. Maybe something to look into. Know one has the right to damage or change crown land and will be charged if caught...BT

ONTARIOHUNTER · Post by **ONTARIOHUNTER** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:26 am

Canadian Tire stores are privately owned , BUT , from what I understand they have to buy from the corporation.The corp gets all kinds of money from the stores on products they sell them , from % on profit , rent and what have you. So I do not think they would let them go out and buy from someone else.

I could be wrong , and unfortunately it would not be the first time!!!

ONTARIOHUNTER

Adrian J Hare · Post by **Adrian J Hare** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:53 pm

Boy from what I understood was that they were not all privately owned , but I could be wrong also. All I know is I deal with them alot and do know that they deal with Products in different means then above. Any product that is sold in the francize has to go through head office , unless they are privately owned. Head Office lays out a Line and every store recieves the same line of Product.

I'll have to ask when I do the product Demo for this coming year

...BT

ONTARIOHUNTER · Post by **ONTARIOHUNTER** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:33 pm

Not being the sharpest knife in the spam I need to ask a ?

You said

Any product that is sold in the franchise has to go through head office , unless they are privately owned

Are you saying that a privately owned store is allowed to buy what they want from outside sources? If so way would the corp allow that? the corp is only interested in making money and if the owner is buying from outside sources the corp gets jack all.

ONTARIOHUNTER

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:21 pm

CROWN?? Yall got a king and queen ruling your country er what??

A.W · Post by **A.W** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:58 pm

Anonymous wrote:CROWN?? Yall got a king and queen ruling your country er what??

You probably wouldn't understand.

http://myrapid.com/iamcanadian/video/iamcanadian.avi

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:21 pm

The Crown and Canada

The monarch of Great Britain is the official leader of Canada... well, at least on paper. (This is a result of the British colonization and conquest of Canada starting in the 1500s.... okay it's a long story...)

Canada, has gone from a colony, to a dominion to a full-fledged country (in 1982 when the Constitution Act was signed.)

This means that Canada is a constitutional monarchy which means that royal assent from the crown is necessary before any bill becomes law. We have a democratic system but we're technically not a democracy. (Confused yet?)

The representative of the Crown in Canada is the Governor General who is appointed by the monarch on the advice of the Prime Minister. (Essentially, the PM picks who the new Governor General will be and not the Queen.) A person is usually picked based on some great thing he or she has done for the country, his/her ability to represent and serve the people - and more often than not, his or her loyalty to the party who is in power (but maybe I am just being cynical)

Royal assent: approval from the "crown" necessary for a bill to become law. It's kind of like the Queen saying - "Alright, this sounds good" and then signing.

Crown: The historical/symbolic way of meaning the Queen or the Governor General. (Or even the government when it comes to the courts.)

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Interestingly enough, Queen Elizabeth II is the first monarch to have "Queen of Canada" in her title. How's that for a factoid?

A.W · Post by **A.W** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:28 pm

Prime example of an explanation.

ONTARIOHUNTER · Post by **ONTARIOHUNTER** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:08 pm

I talked to an owner tonight and confirmed that the stores a privately owned. On the matter of buying out side of the corp the answer is yes,no,maybe so. If an owner finds a product that he likes outside of the corp he needs to fill out some forms about the product. The info will have all relevant info about the product , from what it is to how much it cost and so on. If the product is similar to something they already sell , they we say no.If not you will be able to buy it but you have to pay the corp a % of the profit and a rent fee. If they see that the product is doing really well they can and have done so come in and stop you from selling it.Then they can start to carry it and make you buy it from them if you want it ,and make a bigger profit.

It's all about the money

ONTARIOHUNTER

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:19 pm

No one may harvest any forest products from the crown without authorization from MNR. This includes building trails, cutting slash or trees etc. There is an Act called the Public Lands Act.

ecoaster · Post by **ecoaster** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:30 pm

Grey Owl,

You say a porcupine ate the bark from a birch

. I have always thought they strictly stuck to the barks from conifers. If he ate the bark right down to the wood the tree will probably die. At least you're looking on the bright side (firewood)!

Woodsman · Post by **Woodsman** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:30 am

If the bark is tripped too deep, the tree would likely die.

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