Archery Hunt Uproar in KW AREA

ComfyBear · Post by **ComfyBear** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:23 am

I have visited the Argo website and sent them the following email:

As an avid outdoorsman, I've come to realize the importance of reliable off-road transportation. In my search, I have discovered your website. I must say that I'm rather impressed by your products, and the reviews that they have received in your "Stories". One particular story that caught my eye was from Mr. Anstett.

http://www.argoatv.com/stories.asp?SID=5

Mr. Anstett, who lives in the small community of Haysville, Ontario, Canada, not only runs the 150 acre Haysville Valley Deer Sanctuary, but also the Haysville Gallery, where he displays his very own nature and wildlife photography.

It's no secret that Mr. Anstett is an anti-hunter.

Larry Anstett slows his vehicle to a stop and quietly opens the driver's side door.
"Hello, sweetheart," he whispers.
A doe stares back before scampering into the woods.
This is the way it should be, the way Anstett wants to enjoy the deer on his picturesque Haysville property, west of Kitchener in Wilmot Township.

Recently he has been in the news:

Hunters Anger Anstett
New Hamburg Independent
05 Jan 2005
Byline: Doug Coxson
Source: The Independent

Now, Mr. Anstett has made it very clear that he's crusading to totally ban archery hunting.

I'm just wondering, since your website still features Mr. Anstett's story, if your company endorses the views of this gentleman. I feel that Mr. Anstett's views and objectives can only serve to tarnish the image of your company.

I certainly have doubts about patronizing any company that show any support to the likes of Mr. Anstett.

I will continue to monitor your website, in order to decide.

I feel that if Argo received more email similiar to mine above, it might cause them to distance themselves from the likes of this "gentleman"

To contact Argo: http://odg.orc.ca:3000/contactUs.php?re ... tories.asp

LoneWolf · Post by **LoneWolf** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:35 am

I've sent a couple of letters/emails concerning this issue.

I've done my part...

I also think that the bow/crossbow manufacturers should get involved in this as well, IMHO...

Furthermore as much as I hate to say this, but I don't think it would be a bad idea to do as the province of Quebec does and start putting out mandatory archery courses to educate the new people taking up the ever growing sport of archery hunting.

LW

patmax · Post by **patmax** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:11 am

Gentlemen,

I think it is a mistake to attack Mr. Anstett personally. He has expressed himself well and is within his rights.

I support "ethical hunting" and Archery. Let's let the "dust settle" and not make too many assumptions. Recognize that it is possible for an arrow to be deflected by a tree branch and cause a poor shot. No experienced hunter likes a messy kill. We would outlaw Cars along with Archery if the weapon is to blame. We would outlaw Kids and anyone without a degree if experience and knowledge is to blame.

Clear heads will prevail.

Good hunting,
patmax

DesertRat · Post by **DesertRat** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:51 pm

I have seen this clown's article in the paper and saw the interview on TV. He says he is not against hunting, he just wants bow hunting banned. He says that guns are efficient and bows just wound deer and they should be banned. He has written the Prime minister and is seeking backing from animal rights activists. If the gov't get s involved, who knows what we will have to swallow. Maybe a banning of bows. Maybe there will be a nice tax grabbing mandatory archery safety course that will cost 75.00$.

As Canadian's we are expected to accept everyone's views and beliefs as long as you are not an outdoorsmen, especially a hunter. Hunting is one of the oldest traditions and way of life in Canada. I doubt that the original settlers ate tofu and tried to keep deer as pets.

I would be interested in knowing how many deer have suffered from vehicle collisions. Maybe we should ban cars to save the deer? Not gonna happen because then the fat assed politicians would not be able to drive their SUVs to the new mall next to the golf course from their new subdivison that took up 16,000 acres of deer habitat.

1st bears. Deer next. Hang on, it's going to be a wild ride.

Woodsman · Post by **Woodsman** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:38 pm

Sorry, but this guy is a SOB. To think otherwise is naive. Either he's for hunting or against it. His "soft approach" to the subject is the most efficient way to convince the masses...even some hunters here!

Wake up folks! This guy is dangerous!

I agree with LoneWolf. You folks should have a course for bow/crossbow just like Quebec. The way its going now, it may be your only defense against this guy and his band of Walt Disney bandits! This way hunters can say "they care" and that the politicians can say "they did something about it."

ComfyBear · Post by **ComfyBear** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:06 pm

This guy is definitely against hunting, The quote below makes it obvious.

Larry Anstett slows his vehicle to a stop and quietly opens the driver's side door.
"Hello, sweetheart," he whispers.
A doe stares back before scampering into the woods.
This is the way it should be, the way Anstett wants to enjoy the deer on his picturesque Haysville property, west of Kitchener in Wilmot Township.

As does this quote:

Anstett doesn't allow hunting on his 77 hectares (about 192 acres), dubbed the
Haysville Valley Deer Sanctuary

The reason that he's targeting archery is due to it's extended season.

Archery season runs from Oct. 1 to Dec. 31.

"December 31 is the happiest day of the year for me because that's the day I get the gift of no more hunting."

It obvious this guy's got money (97 hectacres, Art Galley, expensive toys) and too much time on his hands. His next step is to obtain power and control.

His method is by trying to "divide and conquer". He'll succeed, if we let it happen.

Check out this website below:

It used to feature Larry Anstett's "Argo Story" Now it doesn't work. Could it have been that "Argo" pulled it after they received my email this morning?

http://www.argoatv.com/stories.asp?SID=5

I checked the actual Argo Story page and Larry's story is no where to be found.

shifty · Post by **shifty** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:23 pm

when larry anstett did his first article in the newhamburg paper I wrote an article back and they put it in the next paper. I told him that i loved the deer just as much as he did and no one likes to see this happen.my answear to him was better bow hunting education. That my whole family counted on the deer every year to feed us. Larry Anstett phoned my house and complimented me on my article and told me that he wasnt out to get all hunters just the irresponsible ones (BIG LIE POEPLE) this man who used to work for the kitchener record is a snake. He cannot prove that every deer that was wounded or passed away was a direct resault of bow hunting.Cars hit deer ,deer get old, coyotes rip at deer bucks fight bucks and the list goes on and on You are a good story teller Mr Anstett but it seems to me you like to twist the truth to soot your own personal agenda. This is how the do it people they pick on the smaller groups like archers and try to ban us just like the spring bear hunt. One pice at a time

Kjay · Post by **Kjay** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:50 pm

I dont know if you guys went to the Coha website that i posted but it seems like he is just pawn, for another groups agenda, he is just trying to get the ball rolling. So this needs to have some action. I personally would like to know what the Excalibur Crossbow Company might have to say about this issue as this could hurt them as much as it would us, if not more. We need to do something and soon.

KJay

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:44 pm

JackZ · Post by **JackZ** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:51 pm

There are many "wound'o'matic" hunters out there. Unfortunately many of these carry crossbows. This is because they are seen as the most accurate and easy to use. SOME of these less than serious hunters do go out and shoot at almost any deer in sight. They feel it is their right to get their deer and wounding a few doesn't bother them at all. I unfortunately personally know of a few individuals like this. Telling them to be careful of shot selection just brings on a look of rightious indignation, like they do not seem to be subject to hunter ethics.

I do realize that most, if not all the regulars on this site are far more skilled than the folks refered to in this post. Skill, and the attendant understanding of trajectory makes most regular shooters always pass on shots that are unsuitable. The problem is with the casual shooter who does not know ( and often does not wish to know) what the actual effective range of the bow in his unpracticed hands really is. These guys do fling arrows or bolts fifty yards or more.

One thing that we must always do is when boasting starts about the length of shots is to inform people that the intent in bowhunting is to get very close to your quarry and to make a clean shot. Do not do business with companies that encourage irresponsible shots and/ or equipment. ( this brings to mind being told that 100 yard shots at game are ethical. Yes 100 yard shots. This referred to a compound not a crossbow but I walked out of the door of that shop near Utopia and will never return.) Do not hunt with hunters that do justify taking poor shots. Stamp out this thinking before our sport is stamped out.

Sorry about the rant but these guys ( both unethical sportsmen and this guy with the mission ) pi$$ me off

Yours in bowhunting

JackZ

shifty · Post by **shifty** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:29 pm

Most people dont know how to read a deers posture . If a deer comes near your stand but is all wired up and nervous let it go, chances are too great the deer will duck or dodge the arrow resulting in bad hit. Never take a shot at a deer thats got you pegged ,almost garenteed bad hit.These are things that should be passed on to other hunters new or novice.

GREY OWL · Post by **GREY OWL** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:55 pm

shifty wrote:Most people dont know how to read a deers posture . If a deer comes near your stand but is all wired up and nervous let it go, chances are too great the deer will duck or dodge the arrow resulting in bad hit. Never take a shot at a deer thats got you pegged ,almost garenteed bad hit.These are things that should be passed on to other hunters new or novice.

GREY OWL · Post by **GREY OWL** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:57 pm

GREY OWL wrote:
shifty wrote:Most people dont know how to read a deers posture . If a deer comes near your stand but is all wired up and nervous let it go, chances are too great the deer will duck or dodge the arrow resulting in bad hit. Never take a shot at a deer thats got you pegged ,almost garenteed bad hit.These are things that should be passed on to other hunters new or novice.

GREY OWL · Post by **GREY OWL** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:03 pm

I think I'll just give up while I'm still behind

In your last sentence Shifty, I agree fully. That's why I'm buying a two man ladder stand, so I can have my son with me while I'm hunting deer. He'll see first hand, how, when and where to shoot at the perfect time. I wish my dad would of taught me that, he came from the old school, drive around till you see a deer you want to shoot in the field. I want my kids to be hunters, not shooters.

Grey Owl

shifty · Post by **shifty** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:19 pm

We are only humane to make mistakes, they should all be takin as lessons in life to only make us smarter secound time around.