Newbie from the U.K.
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wapiti_wacker
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Re: Newbie from the U.K.
Welcome , you will get great advice here from the friendliest forum on the internet with Great people. Happy c hooting and be safe .
Exocet 200
Flemish string
S 5 suppression
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Flemish string
S 5 suppression
Hi my name is Mark and I AM an Elkaholic .....
Re: Newbie from the U.K.
Welcome to the forum and enjoy your new Excal when it arrives. 
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Vortex
Trigger Tech 2.5 Trigger
ShadowZone Scope
S5 with dB Killer Bumpers
Boo String
Big John Zombie Slayers
Rage Broadheads
Re: Newbie from the U.K.
Great guys! Going to my factory saturday afternoon when everyone is gone for some target shooting. Hoping my exomax will have arrived by then, if not I'll ask my son if he'll kindly let me play with his!
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In England we do a lot of 3d shooting at NFAS clubs one of which (Cloth of Gold) is just down the road from you at Gaddesden near Hemel Hempstead.
Unfortunately your Exomax would be too powerful.
Rules dictate that the bow must be cocked by hand and arrow speed must not exceed 300fps.
It's a class that is growing in GB though.
Unfortunately your Exomax would be too powerful.
Rules dictate that the bow must be cocked by hand and arrow speed must not exceed 300fps.
It's a class that is growing in GB though.
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I do remember reading about a club in Hemel but couldn't remember its name. Once we've got some practice in, I might give the NFAS a ring & see what our options are & whats available for us to do. Thanks for the info.snuffbox wrote:In England we do a lot of 3d shooting at NFAS clubs one of which (Cloth of Gold) is just down the road from you at Gaddesden near Hemel Hempstead.
Unfortunately your Exomax would be too powerful.
Rules dictate that the bow must be cocked by hand and arrow speed must not exceed 300fps.
It's a class that is growing in GB though.
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Its a pitty they dont accept a cocking aid, as its easy to use a heavy arrow and slow the exomax to the 300FPS limit.
If they don't allow you to join clubs because of Poundage,Speed, limits etc think about meeting some like minded people there and starting your own. Crossbowers were excluded from clubs here in Western Australia and given all the excuses in the world to stop us joining existing archery clubs. Eventually us crossbowers got our own going, with no limits on Poundage, cocking aids,or Sights etc. It took a while to get a place organized to shoot at, but is the best thing that could have happened here. We meet every month for a friendly shoot, then barby and drinks.
If they don't allow you to join clubs because of Poundage,Speed, limits etc think about meeting some like minded people there and starting your own. Crossbowers were excluded from clubs here in Western Australia and given all the excuses in the world to stop us joining existing archery clubs. Eventually us crossbowers got our own going, with no limits on Poundage, cocking aids,or Sights etc. It took a while to get a place organized to shoot at, but is the best thing that could have happened here. We meet every month for a friendly shoot, then barby and drinks.
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That sounds good to me, except the barby bit. It's June & raining nearly every day here!!! Are you allowed to hunt with bows/crossbows in Australia?Dash wrote:Its a pitty they dont accept a cocking aid, as its easy to use a heavy arrow and slow the exomax to the 300FPS limit.
If they don't allow you to join clubs because of Poundage,Speed, limits etc think about meeting some like minded people there and starting your own. Crossbowers were excluded from clubs here in Western Australia and given all the excuses in the world to stop us joining existing archery clubs. Eventually us crossbowers got our own going, with no limits on Poundage, cocking aids,or Sights etc. It took a while to get a place organized to shoot at, but is the best thing that could have happened here. We meet every month for a friendly shoot, then barby and drinks.
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Only 2 states its totally legal, the others have different types of restrictions on crossbows making things difficult to hunt, or have even totally banned crossbows in a couple of states . When the government was introducing legislation against crossbows, it was the Vertical archery clubs & archery associations that met with the goverment and said they had no objection to this.
So its important to do what you can to get to know other crossbowers and promote the use of them in clubs. Sometimes its just a case of showing safe use of crossbows so they can see, or supplying your own bag target at the club if that is the clubs concern. There's a lot of myths circulating around many archery clubs about how dangerous they are, and destruction of targets, blah blah blah. Its up to us to change that.
So its important to do what you can to get to know other crossbowers and promote the use of them in clubs. Sometimes its just a case of showing safe use of crossbows so they can see, or supplying your own bag target at the club if that is the clubs concern. There's a lot of myths circulating around many archery clubs about how dangerous they are, and destruction of targets, blah blah blah. Its up to us to change that.
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Its incredible that this prejudice against crossbows is truly international! I'm sure I read somewhere that you need a licence in Ireland but not for a vertical. I can almost understand the general public thinking a crossbow is more dangerous, it just looks it, but coming from the men in tights makes it worse.Dash wrote:Only 2 states its totally legal, the others have different types of restrictions on crossbows making things difficult to hunt, or have even totally banned crossbows in a couple of states . When the government was introducing legislation against crossbows, it was the Vertical archery clubs & archery associations that met with the goverment and said they had no objection to this.
So its important to do what you can to get to know other crossbowers and promote the use of them in clubs. Sometimes its just a case of showing safe use of crossbows so they can see, or supplying your own bag target at the club if that is the clubs concern. There's a lot of myths circulating around many archery clubs about how dangerous they are, and destruction of targets, blah blah blah. Its up to us to change that.
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The greatest prejudice seems to be from the target archery clubs,they took years to accept compound bows.
In Field Archery things are a lot different.
Three or four years ago the only acceptable crossbows were the very expensive target type bows with a maximum draw weight of 90lbs so it was a choice of very expensive or very cheap(Korean/Chinese) bows.
The rules got changed to allow any bow to be used as long as the arrow speed didn't exceed 300 fps.
This rule change meant archers could compete with a bow that cost less than £100,about 70 dollars.
A lot of archers then discovered this was a lot of fun but they wanted a better bow,suddenly we're seeing Excaliburs,Ten Points Kodabow etc appearing around the shoots.
The way it's taken off is amazing and it's getting really competitive out there.
There are detractors but we just ignore them.
There are grumblings about the rule of no cocking aid but it comes down to if you can't draw it don't buy it,you wouldn't buy a vertical bow you couldn't draw so why do it with a crossbow,it's not as though we need that power to drop an animal,we're shooting 3ds and I can nail a 50 yd dear with 300gn arrows at 240 fps as wellas anyone.
Most objections to crossbows in field archery come from the landowners who's land we shoot on but were slowly turning things around.
Unfortunately it's an inbred English thing that goes back to mediaeval times when we shot the crap out of the French with our longbows but we got the hump when they retaliated with Flemish crosbowmen as it was able to shoot accurately with little training.
Since those days the crossbow has been thought of as an instrument of the devil.
The point raised earlier about using heavier arrows to slow the speed down would mean the target would have to deal with more kinetic energy which would result in damage,a line has to be drawn somewhere so it was settled on using the max speed the compounds shoot at.
Hope this long post gives you a bit of an insight into how things are going over here.
Cheers
In Field Archery things are a lot different.
Three or four years ago the only acceptable crossbows were the very expensive target type bows with a maximum draw weight of 90lbs so it was a choice of very expensive or very cheap(Korean/Chinese) bows.
The rules got changed to allow any bow to be used as long as the arrow speed didn't exceed 300 fps.
This rule change meant archers could compete with a bow that cost less than £100,about 70 dollars.
A lot of archers then discovered this was a lot of fun but they wanted a better bow,suddenly we're seeing Excaliburs,Ten Points Kodabow etc appearing around the shoots.
The way it's taken off is amazing and it's getting really competitive out there.
There are detractors but we just ignore them.
There are grumblings about the rule of no cocking aid but it comes down to if you can't draw it don't buy it,you wouldn't buy a vertical bow you couldn't draw so why do it with a crossbow,it's not as though we need that power to drop an animal,we're shooting 3ds and I can nail a 50 yd dear with 300gn arrows at 240 fps as wellas anyone.
Most objections to crossbows in field archery come from the landowners who's land we shoot on but were slowly turning things around.
Unfortunately it's an inbred English thing that goes back to mediaeval times when we shot the crap out of the French with our longbows but we got the hump when they retaliated with Flemish crosbowmen as it was able to shoot accurately with little training.
Since those days the crossbow has been thought of as an instrument of the devil.
The point raised earlier about using heavier arrows to slow the speed down would mean the target would have to deal with more kinetic energy which would result in damage,a line has to be drawn somewhere so it was settled on using the max speed the compounds shoot at.
Hope this long post gives you a bit of an insight into how things are going over here.
Cheers