Matrix changes everything.

[deer_unlimited]

Let's all cool down and recall what is the original post all about: the new Matrix! Let's discuss what we like in it and what we don't.

[JPjunkie]

Cool as a cucumber Your rite I love my matrix 380

[Calcobrena]

LOL I never bashed gun owners. I think the topic was on gun control. And my position isn't everyone's favorite. For example, I'm for extremely radical gun control.

That means, no guns that aren't designed within the specifications of hunting regulations allowed and all of those being on a Federal registry. But that means NO GUNS. None for the police. None for the military. It is my belief that America is great enough and our technology is great enough that mutual extermination under ANY circumstance should be frowned upon in our society. I strongly believe that our culture of sanctioned and justified homicide inhibits our prosperity.

HOWEVER, I still believe that as long as the police and military have them, SO SHOULD PEOPLE. Otherwise we have a lopsided sense of power where corporation owned politicians backed by the police and military have disarmed our citizens. And that goes for everyone. I don't care if you have a mental illness. I don't care if you are a convicted felon. If our military and our police get them, so does everyone else. America needs to lead by example, not oppression.

And that will always be my stance. I have a post conventional morality that doesn't justify the killing of another human being. Ever. If you justify one, you justify them all.

As far as hunting, I'm far more impressed by someone's ability to kill a deer with a crossbow at 10 yards than I am with someone's ability to kill one with a rifle at a thousand yards. I do believe HUNTING should be an intimate experience with nature and not shooting fish in a barrel. If you think of hunting as a sport, then yes, a gun, might make more sense to you. I don't view hunting as a sport. If it is bashing to say I'm unimpressed by gun-hunting, then oh well, I'm a gun-basher (Despite everyone in my family that hunts being a gun-hunter...) I'm not condemning gun hunters in any way. I'm just VERY VERY unimpressed. That doesn't mean I can't be impressed by an impressive specimen taken out with a bullet, but I'd be a hell of a lot more impressed if it was taken out with an arrow.


As far as humane hunting and the use of guns? That's just LOL. It's an animal. Shoot it, and then make sure it doesn't suffer. But I mean c'mon the animals in nature torture one another and eat each other alive in the most slow and agonizing deaths you can imagine and on a scale that can't compare to hunters. We're talking billions of agonizing deaths every day in the animal kingdom. It is definitely part of our humanity not to let animal suffer, but this bleeding heart nonsense of "Oh, I use a gun because the animal suffers less" is nonsense. It's just a damn animal. It is not a person. I'm sure the animal would rather be alive than dead. If you are going to kill it, a few moments of "extra animal suffering" is a moot point. If you didn't want it to suffer, shoot it with a camera, not a gun. I wish some gun-hunters (not all because there are plenty of post conventional moral gun owners that are wonderful people) would have that much compassion about human life. Geez.

[RexKay]

The Matrix Changes Everything..it's gonna starting October 1st....but my 1187 20ga changes things come Nov. 15th..I just love hunting..crossbow..gun..muzzleloader...recurve..slingshot..air gun..whatever the dnr says .....

[Calcobrena]

Oh, I will admit I'm still pretty impressed with muzzleloaders using round ball, too. Seeing someone measure out powdergrain and packing a ball down on top of it, and still being able to shoot accurately with a ball, is pretty damn impressive. I have thought about getting one as a back-up weapon for hunting more dangerous game if I ever get to.

[VixChix]

So exactly how many animals have you killed, Ami?

If you feel not the least bit of remorse in taking the life of an animal then you just might have other issues.

[Excal1]

Thank you for the rant Ami. Just like you were a few months ago. What no blog to write?

[JPjunkie]

So exactly how many animals have you killed, Ami?

If you feel not the least bit of remorse in taking the life of an animal then you just might have other issues.

Yea if you feel bad about killing fresh meat to eat that isnt full of dies and steroids and glutons and pollutons then you need to put down your weapons and hug a tree

[Calcobrena]

So exactly how many animals have you killed, Ami?

If you feel not the least bit of remorse in taking the life of an animal then you just might have other issues.

My fair share of rabbits and other small game, but only 4 does as far as bigger game. My Matrix380 is the first weapon I've personally owned capable of taking down bigger game. I never said I didn't feel remorse. Dying sucks, it doesn't matter what it is. I'm just saying, that living is so exponentially better than dying and that dying sucks so incredibly much that worrying about "a few seconds of animal suffering" is a moot point because the way a human kills an animal is still FAR more human than the way any animal kills another animal and they do it on a MUCH larger scale.

In other words, the argument that using a gun instead of a bow or a crossbow because you MAY reduce animal suffering by a few moments is an incredibly weak argument. Anyone THAT concerned about animal suffering not only shouldn't be hunting, but should also NEVER watch Animal Planet because if their feelings were sincere they'd need to be locked in a padded room after observing the infinitesimal fraction of the ruthlessness of nature. Otherwise, they are just trying to use pathos to gain appeal for their argument which is not an academically accepted reasoning.

It is difficult to have patience for people that are either insincere sociopaths, or just plain hypocrites because that's all the bleeding heart "animal suffering" argument really amounts to. If you don't want an animal to suffer, don't put stuff into its body that stops it from being alive. Dying is suffering, regardless of how "quick and painless" you think you are making it. Our humanity is important, but let's not be delusional. We're killing an animal. It doesn't matter how you do it. Just get it over with as quickly as you can when you do. It's just an animal. Eat the meat. Use the hide. Circle of life. If that's a problem, become a vegetarian and stick to shooting animals with a camera.

If someone enjoys hunting with a gun, they need to just say they enjoy hunting with a gun. I'm not impressed with gun hunting but I can understand that they find it more enjoyable. This "animal suffering" nonsense argument is utter ridiculous

[TPM]

Thank you for the rant Ami. Just like you were a few months ago. What no blog to write?

[Excal1]

MY NAME IS EXCAL1...I ENJOY HUNTING WITH A GUN

[yooper_man]

Ami (Calcobrena);

I believe the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!

Additionally, I will agree to disagree on most everything you post on the subject of firearms.

Good evening,
Andrew

[Calcobrena]

I guess I should have mentioned that POSSIBLE tiny fraction of animal sufferering is really a concern as far as a bow vs a gun, then why hunt with a crossbow at all? What is the criteria for choosing which animals may suffer a LITTLE more than others? It takes a real sociopath to attempt to ration suffering for the types of animals they think deserve it more.

[JPjunkie]

MY NAME IS EXCAL1...I ENJOY HUNTING WITH A GUN

I will admit it is easier

[Calcobrena]

Ami (Calcobrena);

I believe the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!

Additionally, I will agree to disagree on most everything you post on the subject of firearms.

Good evening,
Andrew

Who said I didn't agree with that? In fact, the reason I'm AGAINST the currently proposed gun control is because of that. But I think who the good guys are can sometimes be a matter of perspective.

I said I was in favor of RADICAL gun control that removed the majority of types of firearms from both "good guys" and "bad guys" and unless you can do both, you can't do neither. If even one police officer or military soldier gets a gun, then EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN should have the right to have a gun.

But I do believe that the police and military shouldn't have them either. I like to think that human beings are better than that.

But I guess we aren't. So guns for all.

But hunting with them doesn't impress me. If it makes me a terrible person to not be impressed by gun hunting, then I'm an awful human being.