Flemish String

[newbie]

Paul, I see where you replied to bigrak's question about speed increase with Flemish string is "No". I just watched a video on this website by the owner of Excalibur and he said switching to the Flemish string would result in a 15 fps increase. I really don't know what to believe.

That was on the old long limbed bows. The stock string was dacron i belive flemish was fast flight resulting in the speed increase.
The new bows come with D97. Your faster speeds will be with a lighter string on the new bows.

[xcaliber]

All good advice, and so true. The string being of lighter weight will produce in most cases faster speeds. The old models used a safer material that would help the bow survive a dry fire. When the Matrix series came along, they were already equipped with a string made from performance materials, and the safety factor was gone. There are several performance materials used by the folks here ranging from D97 to Force 10, and others as well. Most string makers dabble with stuff to find what they like on their bows, then test it, then get others to test them, etc. Boo has been at this a long time, and knows a lot about the various materials available, and has shared a lot of information to others, myself included. VixenMaster, 8ptbuk, nchunter, Keith also have been twisting their magic for a few years, and have perfected their technique. Danny Miller makes more strings than anyone on the planet, and makes a damn good string. All that said, i would be happy to twist you one up to use until you get one from someone that makes you one better. It would be on me. If you could get one of Comfybear's (Lou) strings, you would also be one happy camper. PM me if you want one, and give me a few days to git her done! Most colors in stock, so pick a couple, or let me do that! On me, including shipping! This is more of a hobby for me these days, so you can be critical of my work if it makes you smile.

Dan

[BrotherRon]

As stated, it depends on string material and strand count. a 28 strand string will be faster than a 40 strand string, but a 40 strand string will quiet the shot a bit and also dampen shot shock/limb vibration
Another added feature of the 40 strand string is that it places the center of the string closer to the center of the nock........
(I won't open that can of worms any farther)

[xcaliber]

With all due respect, 40 strands of this may very well be equal in diameter to 28 strands of that! I use 48 strands of Fury to 28 strands of Rhino, same OD. BCY X is thin just like Fury, and many more strands are REQUIRED to make a string suitable for crossbow use. Just Saying! The string materials chosen should state the individual strand strength, and that information is vital in choosing strand counts for various applications.

[paulaboutform]

Exactly what Newbie said. The original endless loop strings were heavier than the Flemish Twist strings. Think of it like this, a 30 strand endless loop string weighing 23 grains will be faster than a 40 strand Flemish string of the same material weighing 32 grains. I'm not trying to discourage you from getting a Flemish string, I prefer them and that's all I use. I just thought you should get one with the proper understanding of what to expect. If you're interested in speed and don't mind making adjustments more frequently then a 28 or 30 strand Force 10 string is hard to beat. If you want a quieter, softer feeling shot that doesn't need as much adjustment and you're not as concerned about speed then a 40 strand string (like the original Boo string) is the way to go. You could even add string silencers. I think your options are to go with a Danny Miller Flemish string (he makes all the strings for Excalibur), set the brace height 1/2" higher than you want and shoot it in. You'll be golden and have a beautiful string. Or....you can contact a custom string maker (many good ones here...I have all BOO strings) and discuss what your wants and needs are and they'll guide you to exactly what you're looking for. Good luck.

Paul

[BrotherRon]

Yes, that is very true..... Thanks Dan.
I have tried several strings of various material and strand counts.
The normal 27 - 32 strand strings from you and others here are great strings.
(I have never found a "Bad String" yet)
I have tried Boo custom 40 strand strings, 40 stand BCY-X strings, Rhino strings in various strand counts, Force 10 strings in various strand counts, and 28 strand strings from almost everyone here. The 28 strand strings are a very nice all around string.... But everyone has their favorites for one reason or another. I don't mind giving up a few fps with a few extra strands in the string if it helps dampen the shot and quiet it a little. I will be doing a test in the next few weeks to see if a larger diameter string will have any affect on accuracy... I am thinking that they may tighten up my groups at longer ranges, but I could be wrong and won't know until I try.

[flightattendant100]

Paul, I see where you replied to bigrak's question about speed increase with Flemish string is "No". I just watched a video on this website by the owner of Excalibur and he said switching to the Flemish string would result in a 15 fps increase. I really don't know what to believe.

On the older Exo series bows, that came from factory with an Excel endless loop string, switching to a Flemish string made of FastFlight material would gain you 10-15 fps. With the newer bows coming from factory with a FastFlight string on them , very little if any speed is gained, and a few Flemish strings may actually may be a couple fps slower.
The video you saw is older is only problem. As said above, call Danny Miller when he is back from vacation. He made your factory string, and he makes Flemish as well. He will be your "parder" for life! Just a great guy.

[Boo]

It is not my intent to insult you and I apologize in advance if you take what I have to say the wrong way. If your string hasn't stopped creeping, you haven't shot it enough. If you haven't worn the original string out, you haven't gained enough experience to know if you need a different string. It would be appropriate if you shot the bow as is for a year/ 6 months as is.
There is wisdom for packaging the bow the way it came and the vast majority of people do just fine the way the bow comes. While I'm not trying to tell you what to do, I am trying to tell you that the way the bow comes is a great starting point.

[Bullzeye]

Is it just that little extra speed you gain with a Flemish on an older bow, that makes a dry fire more susceptible to limb damage???

[Boo]

Is it just that little extra speed you gain with a Flemish on an older bow, that makes a dry fire more susceptible to limb damage???

Using the same materials, a Flemish string will cause a speed loss. Bows using an endless loop string made from modern materials (as opposed to Dacron), are slightly more susceptible to limb damage because of the lack of elasticity. Dacron is highly elastic.

[xcaliber]

What material is used on the Matrix 355 stock Endless Loop string, and what makes it a better choice to use on a new bow? I think having an extremely low brace height is more of an issue for bow performance and safe use than a Flemish String made of similar materials. Without an ADF there looms a danger of dry firing the bow, and inexperience certainly plats a roll there, just saying!

[sproulman]

What material is used on the Matrix 355 stock Endless Loop string, and what makes it a better choice to use on a new bow? I think having an extremely low brace height is more of an issue for bow performance and safe use than a Flemish String made of similar materials. Without an ADF there looms a danger of dry firing the bow, and inexperience certainly plats a roll there, just saying!

I am on my 4th dry fire with my Micro 335

52 years shooting a Hawkens .50 cal flintlock and I forgot to seat bullet on powder causing a RINGED BORE that barrel is shot now and I had 3,000 shots thru it and never mistake like that..IT HAPPENS...

[vixenmaster]

What material is used on the Matrix 355 stock Endless Loop string, and what makes it a better choice to use on a new bow? I think having an extremely low brace height is more of an issue for bow performance and safe use than a Flemish String made of similar materials. Without an ADF there looms a danger of dry firing the bow, and inexperience certainly plats a roll there, just saying!

I am fairly sure its the D97 creeper material, their String man needs to make a profit. He has to really put out alot of strings to keep up wid jus the sales of Factory. Factory be sellin these Excals like the Sun melts Ice. Quick fast n in a Hurry!

[sproulman]

What material is used on the Matrix 355 stock Endless Loop string, and what makes it a better choice to use on a new bow? I think having an extremely low brace height is more of an issue for bow performance and safe use than a Flemish String made of similar materials. Without an ADF there looms a danger of dry firing the bow, and inexperience certainly plats a roll there, just saying!

I am fairly sure its the D97 creeper material, their String man needs to make a profit. He has to really put out alot of strings to keep up wid jus the sales of Factory. Factory be sellin these Excals like the Sun melts Ice. Quick fast n in a Hurry!

Mike, I have 100 shots on your flemish 36 strand angel m and very little wear on servings only slight mark from claws BEFORE I polished them .its funny it will go to factory brace mark in middle which is where they say it should be and stops there..But i like it so the serving edge is on outside of brace mark but I have to adjust it every 15 shots it wants to stay in middle of brace mark and stop.....

[sproulman]

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