The NDP just betrayed every gun owner in Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ4SqHlIOeI
OT: Canadain Firearm Buy Back Program
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Our gun-control proposals have a very basic failure — garbage data
The Mass Casualty Commission’s firearm recommendations were, rightly, overlooked in the initial phase after the report’s release. They have become relevant these past weeks as gun control groups, the NDP, the Bloc, and the Liberals used them to advocate for sweeping changes to Bill C-21, the government’s controversial gun-control proposals.
The Mass Casualty Commission’s concluding recommendations on guns and homicide share a problem common to any data analysis. If you use the wrong data, you get a bad output.
Or, to be blunt: garbage in, garbage out.
R. Blake Brown, a professor who contributed a commissioned report to the MCC, suggested that the MCC got all the best research together and simply found the arguments made by gun control groups to be more convincing.
He’s wrong. While the MCC could have been a completely neutral panel objectively weighing the evidence before it, the nakedly selective choice of data inputs and slanted interpretation meant that no unbiased outcome was possible. Indeed, the MCC inputs seem heavily weighed to advance a pro-control agenda, and do so in such an obvious way that the resulting flaws should be immediately clear to those with even a passing knowledge of the study of firearms and firearm homicide.
https://theline.substack.com/p/tim-thurley-our-gun-control-proposals
The Mass Casualty Commission’s firearm recommendations were, rightly, overlooked in the initial phase after the report’s release. They have become relevant these past weeks as gun control groups, the NDP, the Bloc, and the Liberals used them to advocate for sweeping changes to Bill C-21, the government’s controversial gun-control proposals.
The Mass Casualty Commission’s concluding recommendations on guns and homicide share a problem common to any data analysis. If you use the wrong data, you get a bad output.
Or, to be blunt: garbage in, garbage out.
R. Blake Brown, a professor who contributed a commissioned report to the MCC, suggested that the MCC got all the best research together and simply found the arguments made by gun control groups to be more convincing.
He’s wrong. While the MCC could have been a completely neutral panel objectively weighing the evidence before it, the nakedly selective choice of data inputs and slanted interpretation meant that no unbiased outcome was possible. Indeed, the MCC inputs seem heavily weighed to advance a pro-control agenda, and do so in such an obvious way that the resulting flaws should be immediately clear to those with even a passing knowledge of the study of firearms and firearm homicide.
https://theline.substack.com/p/tim-thurley-our-gun-control-proposals
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Remember Mendicino's LIE that there were "going to take the time to get this right"??
Well, they didn't.
In fact, instead, they rammed the handgun bill through without debate, contrary to parliamentary procedural rules, with nearly identical "amendments" targeting long guns to those they were earlier forced to abandon.
Shameful at best!
The Liberals are right back to banning guns again
Gun owners won't have their hunting rifles seized this time ... sort of
Only three months after retreating from a sweeping gun ban that received blanket condemnation from outfitters and Indigenous groups, the Liberals are back with another plan to criminalize vast categories of Canadian long guns.
Bill C-21 was first introduced in May 2022 in order to codify an existing Liberal promise to ban the sale or transfer of handguns.
But then, in November the Liberals slipped in an 11th hour package of amendments that dramatically expanded the scope of the bill to include whole categories of Canadian long guns.
The definitions were so broad that they even included large numbers of low-caliber, single-shot rifles that were the virtual opposite of the “assault-style” rifles that Liberal proponents claimed the bill would criminalize.
Only after weeks of widespread opposition that included NDP and Liberal MPs in rural ridings — as well as de facto promises by Prairie provinces that they would refuse to enforce the new law — did the Liberals abruptly withdraw them in early February.
One of the most contentious aspects of the withdrawn amendments was that they would have instantly criminalized several thousand makes and models of long guns currently in active use by hunters and outfitters.
Throughout, the Liberal government consistently denied mounting evidence that the amendments would criminalize a wide swathe of Canadian hunting arms with little to no links to criminal activity. In multiple public statements, Liberal MPs claimed that the amendments were “not targeting hunting rifles” and “were not targeting law-abiding gun owners” — both of which were easily debunked by even a cursory reading of the amendment text.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/liberals-are-right-back-to-banning-guns-again
Well, they didn't.
In fact, instead, they rammed the handgun bill through without debate, contrary to parliamentary procedural rules, with nearly identical "amendments" targeting long guns to those they were earlier forced to abandon.
Shameful at best!
The Liberals are right back to banning guns again
Gun owners won't have their hunting rifles seized this time ... sort of
Only three months after retreating from a sweeping gun ban that received blanket condemnation from outfitters and Indigenous groups, the Liberals are back with another plan to criminalize vast categories of Canadian long guns.
Bill C-21 was first introduced in May 2022 in order to codify an existing Liberal promise to ban the sale or transfer of handguns.
But then, in November the Liberals slipped in an 11th hour package of amendments that dramatically expanded the scope of the bill to include whole categories of Canadian long guns.
The definitions were so broad that they even included large numbers of low-caliber, single-shot rifles that were the virtual opposite of the “assault-style” rifles that Liberal proponents claimed the bill would criminalize.
Only after weeks of widespread opposition that included NDP and Liberal MPs in rural ridings — as well as de facto promises by Prairie provinces that they would refuse to enforce the new law — did the Liberals abruptly withdraw them in early February.
One of the most contentious aspects of the withdrawn amendments was that they would have instantly criminalized several thousand makes and models of long guns currently in active use by hunters and outfitters.
Throughout, the Liberal government consistently denied mounting evidence that the amendments would criminalize a wide swathe of Canadian hunting arms with little to no links to criminal activity. In multiple public statements, Liberal MPs claimed that the amendments were “not targeting hunting rifles” and “were not targeting law-abiding gun owners” — both of which were easily debunked by even a cursory reading of the amendment text.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/liberals-are-right-back-to-banning-guns-again
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Re: OT: Canadain Firearm Buy Back Program
Make No Mistake: The Liberals Still Plan to Ban Hunting Rifles and Shotguns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4dlVfRvxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4dlVfRvxk
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This is the only present good news. Unfortunately the ones in 3rd place have a history of siding with anyone willing to make them a deal that is in the best interest of their leader, not their constituents.
Some people just like stepping on rakes
Re: OT: Canadain Firearm Buy Back Program
Interesting. Cannot confirm its validity. Matt, are you aware of this?
https://youtu.be/vDbhtzPdT28
https://youtu.be/vDbhtzPdT28
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IronNoggin
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Yes. It is real.
There is a concerted effort on Gun Nuts to address each and every member of the CSAAA that supported this.
It includes business names & locations.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2374219-CSAAA-naughty-nice-list
A Sell Out for certain.
Nog
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Gotcha. CGN cost me a grand every time I go there, so I've been avoiding it.IronNoggin wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 7:59 pmYes. It is real.
There is a concerted effort on Gun Nuts to address each and every member of the CSAAA that supported this.
It includes business names & locations.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2374219-CSAAA-naughty-nice-list
A Sell Out for certain.
Nog
Ill check it out, Thank you
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Bill-21: Lose Your Guns If "Suspected" Of Domestic Violence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxdrMBVwSYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxdrMBVwSYo
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MP Morrison stands up for law-abiding gun owners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTefrFLTrEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTefrFLTrEU
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As predicted - rammed through contrary to parliamentary procedures...
Liberal gun control legislation passes House of Commons
The federal Liberal government's gun control legislation Bill C-21 passed the House of Commons on Thursday.
While the majority of MPs voted to see the bill pass into the Senate, two Liberal MPs who represent northern ridings sided with the Conservatives in voting against the legislation.
The bill, which passed nearly a year after it was first introduced, had an acrimonious journey through the House, and was significantly expanded from what was initially tabled in May 2022.
Defending moving to stitch in other firearm policies into Bill C-21, Mendicino has said the Liberals were committed to go further “than any government in the history of this country,” when it comes to gun control.
Bill C-21 is now off to the Senate for a second round of scrutiny. It remains to be seen whether senators are inclined to expedite their study or extend that work into the fall, with just four weeks left in the spring sitting.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberal-gun-control-bill-instilling-assault-style-firearm-definition-passes-house-of-commons-1.6404572
Liberal gun control legislation passes House of Commons
The federal Liberal government's gun control legislation Bill C-21 passed the House of Commons on Thursday.
While the majority of MPs voted to see the bill pass into the Senate, two Liberal MPs who represent northern ridings sided with the Conservatives in voting against the legislation.
The bill, which passed nearly a year after it was first introduced, had an acrimonious journey through the House, and was significantly expanded from what was initially tabled in May 2022.
Defending moving to stitch in other firearm policies into Bill C-21, Mendicino has said the Liberals were committed to go further “than any government in the history of this country,” when it comes to gun control.
Bill C-21 is now off to the Senate for a second round of scrutiny. It remains to be seen whether senators are inclined to expedite their study or extend that work into the fall, with just four weeks left in the spring sitting.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberal-gun-control-bill-instilling-assault-style-firearm-definition-passes-house-of-commons-1.6404572
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Blaine Calkins: Introducing an amendment to #billc21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad9htzE-lB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad9htzE-lB0
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Two million licensed gun owners are required to report their addresses to police but NOT the more than 443,000 convicted criminals prohibited from owning firearms by the courts!
https://dennisryoung.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Recent-Reports-of-Firearms-Prohibition-Order-Violations-Sept-1-2019-4.pdf
https://dennisryoung.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Recent-Reports-of-Firearms-Prohibition-Order-Violations-Sept-1-2019-4.pdf
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C-21 Fails to Protect Canadians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlIUWARCEfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlIUWARCEfM
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It's opinion. From a fellow who worked in the firearms industry for over 50 years. I do believe that he offers very similar views to those of my own...
Career criminals commit most gun crime
Given the fact that over 90 per cent of gun crime is committed by career criminals, most with gang affiliations and who are most likely out on bail, while using illegally obtained firearms, we are all at a loss as to how stealing and prohibiting our legally purchased property that has never been involved in crime will make our streets safer.
https://www.mountainviewtoday.ca/opinion/letter-career-criminals-commit-most-gun-crime-6941139
Career criminals commit most gun crime
Given the fact that over 90 per cent of gun crime is committed by career criminals, most with gang affiliations and who are most likely out on bail, while using illegally obtained firearms, we are all at a loss as to how stealing and prohibiting our legally purchased property that has never been involved in crime will make our streets safer.
https://www.mountainviewtoday.ca/opinion/letter-career-criminals-commit-most-gun-crime-6941139
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."