Question: 20 yard vs 50 yard Opportunities

[sumner4991]

Tom . . .we agree again. Ethics are group related. I'm not willing to question someone's ethics over their shot selection unless I know all the facts. Remember, I hunt in a area where deer are considered a pest. It's almost impossible to drive down the road at night without hitting one. I'm sure ethics are different in selected areas. Neighboring landowners approach me every year wanting me to hunt their property because they know I kill deer. Regardless of the ethics, it is not my job to judge, I'll leave that one up to the Lord and selected elected officials. As far as the string jumping, it's a mute point. There is no way we can prove this other than start shooting a bunch of long shots and see the reaction. Or we could simulate a bow shooting and see how a deer reacts at certain yardages. I'll be willing to wager that out past 50 yards, most deer will barely raise their heads to take a look.

GaryL . . .you are right on . . .again.

I'm sure string jumping will be tested and debated in the future. Especially as xbows continue to increase the fps.

[Partikle]

Check out this video of a deer "ducking" after the arrow is released:

http://www.bowsite.com/BOWSITE/features ... ngjumping/

[Bow Life]

This video will clear up everything (well atleast i think it does). Sumner you can watch this video and you hear the shot and see the deer react both times to the shot before the arrow reaches the deer. The frist is a compelte miss the second is a hit but not where intended. Watch this video and then let me know what you think.

From my own personal experiences i have (what i would consider) a very accurate xbow, and i try to always have a rest when shooting. Some of the deer i shoot are hit in the spot i aim and others are hit just a little higher, (the deer drops) so i think they can and the further the distance the more chance of it. But thats just my opinion. Take a look at the video and see for yourself. Happy Hunting.

[Bow Life]

Crap, forgot to put the link opps ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6DcEk_Dd4

[sumner4991]

Bow Life . . .I like it. Good camera angle. Unfortunately, we do not know the distance, type of weapon or speed of arrow/bolt. Take a look at the 160 pound fallow deer video . . .he's using a crossbow and it looks like a longer shot. Of course, there is no way to know for sure.

partikle . . .replied to that clip on page two of this thread. Bad camera angle and he is using a recurve or longbow.

[Bow Life]

I see what you mean by the other video. On all the deer i shoot i pick a spot on the deer and rest the bow and slowly pull the trigger. Generally I pick a slightly lower shot then what is nessiciary so if the deer does drop at all i still get the vitals but if it does not drop i still get vitals. Thats just a precaution that i take to avoid a unfortunate shot. I dont know what else to say other then, you would need to have a scope cam, to be percise and take a practice shot at a target and then one at a deer and watch that cam in slow motion.

[sumner4991]

Been watching a lot of DVD and video clips . . .from what little I can tell, looks like the deer are reacting to the arrow/bolt. They react the same way on almost every shot and it's when the arrow/bolt is closing in on the target. I say arrow/bolt reaction vs. string reaction because it would make more sense if some deer were reacting quicker then others based on the distance from the target. This doesn't look to be the case. Looks like "arrow/bolt ducking" not "string jumping". If that is the case, then we need to focus on the speed of the bolt when it's ten feet from the target.

I normally aim for the heart, regardless of the angle. Maybe that's why the deer reactions have made no impact on my hunting to date. I also aim small.

Anyway, I'm out of town again for a few days. Will give this a rest and try to hunt tomorrow.

Take care!