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Man Killed with Crossbow in Toronto

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Will have to see how this one plays out. The antis are going to have a field day with this one...

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That's Just Great! :x This should get interesting :roll:
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will it be any different if it was a compound bow, a pellet gun, an inline m/l'er, a knife....it don't matter what kills a person, but the idiot behind the weapon that does the killing....why aren't the anti automobile freaks jumping all overs druck drivers who kill people....just people feeling they need to say something........bob

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Local trial involves a contract killing in which the weapon was a HAMMER. Crooks will use whatever works to perpetrate violence. Punish the culprit, but lets leave the inanimate object out of the discussion.
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Here is the kind of non-sense that the media is already spewing:

"It's definitely a unique situation," Const. Tony Vella said.
"Where did he get this crossbow? That's something we're looking into ... you hear about guns, knives, but not crossbows."
Crossbows over 500 mm in length are considered prohibited weapons. But crossbows under 500 mm are only considered restricted under the Criminal Code.


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Oh boy!! :(
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ninepointer wrote:Here is the kind of non-sense that the media is already spewing:

"It's definitely a unique situation," Const. Tony Vella said.
"Where did he get this crossbow? That's something we're looking into ... you hear about guns, knives, but not crossbows."
Crossbows over 500 mm in length are considered prohibited weapons. But crossbows under 500 mm are only considered restricted under the Criminal Code.


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We can criticise the media, and with justification. However, if the quote is accurate, we should also be criticising the law enforcement spokesman for being an ignorant buffoon. He is completely mistating the law relating to crossbows.
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"When police arrived at 137 Main St., they located a male victim, estimated to be anywhere from his 30s to his 40s, with an arrow in his back."

No worries . . .it wasn't a real crossbow or they would have found the arrow in a nearby tree.

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ninepointer wrote:Here is the kind of non-sense that the media is already spewing:

"It's definitely a unique situation," Const. Tony Vella said.
"Where did he get this crossbow? That's something we're looking into ... you hear about guns, knives, but not crossbows."
Crossbows over 500 mm in length are considered prohibited weapons. But crossbows under 500 mm are only considered restricted under the Criminal Code.


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That quote is from the Toronto Sun. I suggest that as many people as possible shell them on their innaccurate reporting.
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"It's definitely a unique situation," Const. Tony Vella said.
"Where did he get this crossbow? That's something we're looking into ... you hear about guns, knives, but not crossbows."
Crossbows over 500 mm in length are considered prohibited weapons. But crossbows under 500 mm are only considered restricted under the Criminal Code.

We can criticise the media, and with justification. However, if the quote is accurate, we should also be criticising the law enforcement spokesman for being an ignorant buffoon. He is completely mistating the law relating to crossbows.
Don't blame the cop - the erroneous part of the statement is outside the quotation marks. The writer of the article is the one who made the mistake.

From the video on the TV, looks like it was a full-size crossbow, not an illegal pistol type. That's based on the length of what I assume was the arrow tenting the sheet covering the victim.

I don't want to make light of a tragic event, but I'm sure everyone here is thinking "what brand of crossbow?'
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bugs wrote:I looked at the SUN online and I am not sure if they changed things but it states the correct law:

According to the RCMP, "crossbows that can be aimed and fired with one hand and crossbows with an overall length of 500 mm or less are prohibited. You cannot lawfully possess or acquire a prohibited crossbow."
"You do not need a valid licence or registration certificate to possess any other type of bow, including a crossbow that is longer than 500 mm and that requires the use of both hands. Criminal Code provisions making it an offence to acquire a crossbow without a valid licence were never brought into force."

It's about time they changed it. I got on it when I saw it and advised them of the mistake they made. Even when time is important in reporting the news, you still need to take a couple minutes to fact check and make sure you have it right.
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bugs wrote:I looked at the SUN online and I am not sure if they changed things but it states the correct law:

According to the RCMP, "crossbows that can be aimed and fired with one hand and crossbows with an overall length of 500 mm or less are prohibited. You cannot lawfully possess or acquire a prohibited crossbow."
"You do not need a valid licence or registration certificate to possess any other type of bow, including a crossbow that is longer than 500 mm and that requires the use of both hands. Criminal Code provisions making it an offence to acquire a crossbow without a valid licence were never brought into force."

Still incorrect here:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/ ... 07136.html
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http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc- ... d=26609714

By CBC News, cbc.ca, Updated: December 3, 2010 3:33 PM
Crossbow slaying suspect is victim's son

The man charged with killing 52-year-old Si Cheng by shooting him with a bolt from a crossbow inside a Toronto library is the victim's son, CBC News has learned.

Zhou Fang, 24, of Ottawa, was arrested shortly after the slaying Thursday and has been charged with first-degree murder in the death of his father, who lived in Toronto.

Police were called to the Toronto Public Library's Main Street branch near the corner of Main and Gerrard Street East in the city's east end just after 4 p.m.

Cheng was pronounced dead at the scene.

Witnesses said that they saw a man approach Cheng, who was sitting on a bench in the library, and pepper-spray him. He was then shot, either in the face or the back, witnesses said.

Police officers saw a man run north on Main St. after the shooting. He jumped into a U-Haul rental truck and drove off. Police tracked the truck and arrested the driver.

Although the father-son relationship has been confirmed to CBC News, police have not released any information on a motive.

"It was not a random attack," said Toronto police spokesman Const. Tony Vella.

It's believed to be the first time a crossbow has been used in a homicide in Toronto.

Fang appeared in Ontario Court of Justice at College Park on Friday morning and was remanded in custody until Dec. 8.
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Here`s more info from: CNEWS

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/ ... 07136.html
Son charged in father's crossbow killing

By CHRIS DOUCETTE, QMI Agency

Man killed with crossbow at Toronto library

Zhou Fang, 24, of Ottawa, is charged with first-degree murder.


TORONTO — The man who has been arrested after another man was shot in the back with a crossbow is the victim's son, police say.

"They are father and son," Const. Tony Vella confirmed Friday.

The victim, Si Cheng, of Toronto, was inside a public library on Thursday when he was hit in the back by a bolt from a crossbow shortly after 4 p.m., Vella said.

It's alleged that Zhou Fang, 24, fired the fatal shot as library patrons watched in horror.

The Ottawa resident was taken was taken into custody soon after at a home. He is charged with first-degree murder.

The U-Haul truck he allegedly drove as he fled from the library was also found on the residential street.


Although police would not confirm anything about a murder weapon, it is believed a crossbow was also recovered.

Crossbows under 500 mm, which can be fired with one hand, are classified as prohibited weapons under Canada's criminal code.

But crossbows over 500 mm, which require two-hands to fire, are only restricted.

The legal crossbows are often used by hunters.

Court documents show the slain man had previously been convicted of domestic violence.

Cheng assaulted his wife of 16 years, Nora Fang, at their home on May 5, 2002, in the presence of their son and Nora’s 84-year-old mother, court documents stated.

A court synopsis of the incident indicated Cheng said, “I am the ruler of this house and everybody has to do what I say.”

He became involved in a physical fight with Nora and the worried mother-in-law intervened to end the conflict. Both Nora and her mom were treated for minor injuries at Scarborough Grace Hospital and released.

Cheng pleaded guilty to assault with a weapon and received one additional day in jail on top of time already served, plus three years probation.

The court also ordered Cheng undergo anger management counselling and he was prohibited from owning weapons for 10 years.

Cheng was involved in another domestic dispute in August 2009. He also pleaded guilty to assault in June 2000, receiving a suspended sentence and 12 months probation.

Cheng had other unrelated criminal convictions, including theft and fail to comply with probation.

His son appeared briefly in court Friday, looking solemn.

He had dark circles under his eyes and wore an orange jail jumpsuit as he stood in the prisoner's box. He bowed his head as Justice Lynette Stethem ordered him back to police custody until his next video appearance Dec. 8.

"You will be detained in custody until these matters are dealt with," Stethem said.

Stethem ordered a publication ban on this case.
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I am thinking this was one of those handheld things from china, Just a hunch.
I also think that the media "spin" we are seeing is beneficial to us, everything I have been reading has been telling the public that there is a difference between a crossbow that hunters use and one that a badguy would have. The sheep don't know any better, as far as they are concerned one comes with a deer picture on the package, the other has gang markings.
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