Gold Tip Laser IV arrows (Kinetic)

[bob1961]

my 2117's weigh in at 550gr with 106 lbs of KE and 87lbs at 50 yards .........bob

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[bkisel]

What, are you guys getting ready for an African big game hunt? I could drop one of your arrows from my tree stand and get a complete pass through on a whitetail deer.

Bill K.

[PA_DeerHunter]

my 2117's weigh in at 550gr with 106 lbs of KE and 87lbs at 50 yards .........bob

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106 ft lbs of KE, with a 200 lb bow? Are you saying that your 15.5 inch draw length Exocet is putting out as much energy as a 16.5 inch draw length Exomag?

Wow, them are some pretty out-of-spec limbs ya' got there Bob!

[secret]

Yeah they work !!!!!!! I shot my buck with them last year!!!!! " Awosome Damage"

[bob1961]

my 2117's weigh in at 550gr with 106 lbs of KE and 87lbs at 50 yards .........bob

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106 ft lbs of KE, with a 200 lb bow? Are you saying that your 15.5 inch draw length Exocet is putting out as much energy as a 16.5 inch draw length Exomag?

yup that is what i'm saying just like "LAST TIME" you did not believe me ....

ahhh i see it is you again ....do you want my arrow's componet weights "AGAIN" to input them into any KE calc you find online and post up what i keep getting as KE ???? ....why are you hassling me on numbers i get from an online calc just like "LAST TIME" i posted my KE numbers....but yet you went away after i posted my componet weight numbers for you to try and get different numbers with, hmmmm ???? ....i even posted a print screen shot of the calc i used, but got no reply from you then....guess i have to go and do all that "AGAIN" just for you "AGAIN", do i huh do i ???? ........bob

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[secret]

I have the collectors version

[PA_DeerHunter]

my 2117's weigh in at 550gr with 106 lbs of KE and 87lbs at 50 yards .........bob

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106 ft lbs of KE, with a 200 lb bow? Are you saying that your 15.5 inch draw length Exocet is putting out as much energy as a 16.5 inch draw length Exomag?

yup that is what i'm saying just like "LAST TIME" you did not believe me ....

ahhh i see it is you again ....do you want my arrow's componet weights "AGAIN" to input them into any KE calc you find online and post up what i keep getting as KE ???? ....why are you hassling me on numbers i get from an online calc just like "LAST TIME" i posted my KE numbers....but yet you went away after i posted my componet weight numbers for you to try and get different numbers with, hmmmm ???? ....i even posted a print screen shot of the calc i used, but got no reply from you then....guess i have to go and do all that "AGAIN" just for you "AGAIN", do i huh do i ???? ........bob


Bob...Bob...it isn't the calculations that I'm having trouble with. It's the velocity I am doubting. If your component weight number is correct, and you are shooting a 550 grain arrow and getting 106 ft lbs of energy, I can do the math. This means your 200 lb bow is shooting that 550 grain arrow at 295 fps. If your 200 lb bow is shooting a 550 grain arrow that fast, then you are getting the same energy as a 225 lb does, AND with a shorter draw length (ie. Exocets have 15.5" of draw length, while the 225 lb. Exomax has 16.5" of draw length). So, your 200 lb bow at 15.5" of draw length is the equal of a 225 lb bow with 16.5" of draw length?

Sorry, but sumpin's fishy here!



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[secret]

What does this have to do with the best shaft ever created by the hands of man?

[PA_DeerHunter]

Nothing!

[secret]

If no one believes bob heres the math
295fps x 295fps=87,025 x550=47,863.750 divided by gravity constant 450,240=106.307 KE

[bob1961]

If no one believes bob heres the math
295fps x 295fps=87,025 x550=47,863.750 divided by gravity constant 450,240=106.307 KE

thank you ........bob

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[bob1961]

Bob...Bob...it isn't the calculations that I'm having trouble with. It's the velocity I am doubting. If your component weight number is correct, and you are shooting a 550 grain arrow and getting 106 ft lbs of energy, I can do the math. This means your 200 lb bow is shooting that 550 grain arrow at 295 fps. If your 200 lb bow is shooting a 550 grain arrow that fast, then you are getting the same energy as a 225 lb does, AND with a shorter draw length (ie. Exocets have 15.5" of draw length, while the 225 lb. Exomax has 16.5" of draw length). So, your 200 lb bow at 15.5" of draw length is the equal of a 225 lb bow with 16.5" of draw length?

Sorry, but sumpin's fishy here!



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all your numbers on the 225# vs 200# but you never said what arrow weight the 225# bow is shooting, what is fishy here....i'm going to be testing a string for boo with a chrony....i will take a picture of the chrony read out with the fps my xbow is shooting when i do the test don needs me to do....i think one thing my arrows have over every other or most other arrows is mine are fletched straight and are not slowed down by fletch spin, thus getting faster arrows over a heavier pound xbow shooting offset/helical fletchings.........bob

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[bcmuledeer]

I dont take bad shots but I had a buck last year change course on me while squeezing the trigger...... Which resulted in a shoulder shot with like 4-6" of penetration. This was a 400 grain arrow. After that I made my mind up to go with the heavier arrow with cut on contact heads and if that happens again in my life time I should have the penetration to the vitals and not wound the deer. Keep in mind I keep my shots at MAX 35 yards, most of my shots are about 20yards.

Being new at bow hunting, I have a few questions. Wouldn't the broadhead design have alot more to do with penetration rather than the weight of the arrow.Example size of broadhead. Being a rifle hunter for years, bullet designed played a big part on weather or not the bullet went through bone, not the size of the bullet, example hollow point verses national matched brass point. Also having a mag gun with crazy speeds seemed to cut through bone alot easier than non mag guns. Doesn't a heavier arrow shoot alot slower, I know were talking twice the mass here as compared to a rifle bullet. is that the reason to get a heavy arrow? Thanks. Ps. secret, dammmm nice shooting.

[awshucks]

One tiny re.mote possibility on bob's bow. He may have a mismarked e,max rail and would bneed to check total rail length and compare it to ecet or emax

total length from where riser joins rail to back ends by safety. I got a bent nickel to bet on outcome. I shot a Pheno-cet for a year, found out it had phoenix label on ecet rail, so it can happen.

[PA_DeerHunter]

If no one believes bob heres the math
295fps x 295fps=87,025 x550=47,863.750 divided by gravity constant 450,240=106.307 KE

Like I said, it is not the math I doubt. I know the formula for determining KE. Anyone can plug numbers into a formula and get an answer.

Again, for those who seem to have difficulty understanding, it is the velocity I am doubting. How does a 200 lb Exocet generate 295 fps and 106 ft.lbs. KE, with a 550 grain arrow...AND with 15.5" of draw length? My own Vortex (also a 200 lb bow and 15.5" draw length) shoots a 450 grain arrow (that's 100 grains lighter than Bob's 550 grain arrow) at 298 fps, for 89 ft. lbs of KE. That's quite a difference!

For fun, I built a 560 grain arrow with the heaviest components I could find. Results: My 200 lb. Vortex shoots a 560 grain arrow at 276 fps., for 94.7 ft.lbs KE.

Now, I understand that not every bow will shoot the same, not even bows of the same model, but the velocity and energy of Bob's Exocet (200 lb., 15.5 " draw) is on par with an Exomag or Equinox bows (225 lb., 16.5" draw lengths)....AND his bow is doing this with 1" less draw length???

Arrow type, fletch type have nothing to do with launch speed. If Bob's bow is pushing a 550 grain arrow at 295 fps., then I want to see it! I am willing to eat crow, and bow down at Bob's feet and tell him I am not worthy to speak with him again. But I want to see a 550 grain arrow luanch from his Exocet at 295 fps.