Camo vs black speed ?

[strum]

I have been hearing that the Nightmares are a little faster than the camo models.
So much that im starting to question if its a myth or not.
my reason for questioning it is I see folks saying that who haven't even tested theirs with a chrony..
So anyone who has tested theirs can you post real speeds using a 350 gr arrow .
Im just curious
By the way my camo chronys at 343fps which is over the advertises speeds

[mr meat]

Hope to get things together and run our two! one of each! sometime next week and will post results!

[nchunterkw]

The only thing I could think of that could make sense is.....one thing Danny Miller suggested to me as to why to buy the black one was because the limbs were not subjected to the 300 degree camo-ing process. I too plan to get my Nightmare on a chrony soon and will post results.

[amythntr]

I have been hearing that the Nightmares are a little faster than the camo models.
So much that im starting to question if its a myth or not.
my reason for questioning it is I see folks saying that who haven't even tested theirs with a chrony..
So anyone who has tested theirs can you post real speeds using a 350 gr arrow .
Im just curious
By the way my camo chronys at 343fps which is over the advertises speeds

.... I was just funning with everyone Stan...but hey, they look so much better, in terms of the textured coating or whatever, it would just seem that they would have to be faster!!! ...but only if you wear black while hunting



Anthony

[strum]

Anthony this isn't a poke at you or anyone else. i just wanted to see this tested ..is it a myth or plausible..wheres Adam and Jamie

[amythntr]

Anthony this isn't a poke at you or anyone else. i just wanted to see this tested ..is it a myth or plausible..wheres Adam and Jamie

would be curious myself...but then again everything would have to be the same in the comparison...same string (factory, flemish), arrow weight(FOC) , inside versus outside or am I over thinking this?

Anthony

[bubba]

Good question Stan, one that I'm curious about too. Is the black actually faster than the camo. And also I've heard the same with the matrix 380 that the black is faster,Don't mean to change your thread about the micro, but I'd like to know about both bows if possible......

[newbie]

341 dm endless loop 355 grain.
the camo limbs most likely little slower with the added camo dip finish.

[colouredchameleon]

Would have to careful drawing any conclusions if a person was to compare One Camo Micro against One Nightmare Micro.
Unless the limb numbering system used by Excalibur to pair the right and left limb has no effect on speed.
If there is a correlation between the limb number and speed than it would make more sense to consider this factor alone if you have a choice from your dealers inventory of the same model.

I however would be open to running a controlled experiment with lets say 3 of each model with matching limb numbers representing the full limb number range Lowest/Midpoint/Highest.

However I would not be surprzed that Excalibur may already be privy to this type of data.

[galamb]

I'd say it's a myth.

But if the black does in fact chrono a little faster I would suspect it's because the chronograph can't "see" the camo version

[colouredchameleon]

I'd say it's a myth.

But if the black does in fact chrono a little faster I would suspect it's because the chronograph can't "see" the camo version

That could be true unless it was done at night.

[nchunterkw]

Would have to careful drawing any conclusions if a person was to compare One Camo Micro against One Nightmare Micro.
Unless the limb numbering system used by Excalibur to pair the right and left limb has no effect on speed.
If there is a correlation between the limb number and speed than it would make more sense to consider this factor alone if you have a choice from your dealers inventory of the same model.

I however would be open to running a controlled experiment with lets say 3 of each model with matching limb numbers representing the full limb number range Lowest/Midpoint/Highest.

However I would not be surprzed that Excalibur may already be privy to this type of data.

Without knowing exactly how the limb number is determined....but making an educated guess.....
I understand it is a "deflection" number.
My thought is the limbs are placed in a fixture, and something presses against it at a certain force, and the amount of deflection is measured.

IF that is the case (or very similar) then the limb number will certainly effect the speed of the crossbow, and the "black v camo" test would only be meaningful with limbs with the same numbers.

Questions:
Anybody know for certain what the limb number test is?
Could the camo process cause the camo limbs to be ever so slightly weaker?
Do the camo limbs weight more than the black limbs (due to camo coating as newbie suggests) and does that matter for speed?

[strum]

Newbie is your Black?

Last time I chronoed we had a discussion about whether the light kit I was using would make it read different than outside light.
so just now .. I have good light and did a test.
all my shots were with the factory Elood string and a 350 grain laser 2 arrow(same one)
I shot 5 out side no light kit(of course) and 5 inside using my light kit.
every shot was in the 340's ---340.2 , 340.6 ,340.1,340,8 ect..
so I can safely say my light kit is good to go.
now the last time I did my test inside I was getting 343 averages.
the only thing I changed was I put shrink wrap on my arrow retainer.
either this added a little more down pressure and slowed my arrow or its a temperature /humidity thing who knows .
either way my micro reads or has read 340-343 so that's my test..lets see some more

[newbie]

Newbie is your Black?

Last time I chronoed we had a discussion about whether the light kit I was using would make it read different than outside light.
so just now .. I have good light and did a test.
all my shots were with the factory Elood string and a 350 grain laser 2 arrow(same one)
I shot 5 out side no light kit(of course) and 5 inside using my light kit.
every shot was in the 340's ---340.2 , 340.6 ,340.1,340,8 ect..
so I can safely say my light kit is good to go.
now the last time I did my test inside I was getting 343 averages.
the only thing I changed was I put shrink wrap on my arrow retainer.
either this added a little more down pressure and slowed my arrow or its a temperature /humidity thing who knows .
either way my micro reads or has read 340-343 so that's my test..lets see some more

RTX

[nchunterkw]

Newbie is your Black?

Last time I chronoed we had a discussion about whether the light kit I was using would make it read different than outside light.
so just now .. I have good light and did a test.
all my shots were with the factory Elood string and a 350 grain laser 2 arrow(same one)
I shot 5 out side no light kit(of course) and 5 inside using my light kit.
every shot was in the 340's ---340.2 , 340.6 ,340.1,340,8 ect..
so I can safely say my light kit is good to go.
now the last time I did my test inside I was getting 343 averages.
the only thing I changed was I put shrink wrap on my arrow retainer.
either this added a little more down pressure and slowed my arrow or its a temperature /humidity thing who knows .
either way my micro reads or has read 340-343 so that's my test..lets see some more

That's some good info right there. Many times I get home after dark but it's still nice enough out to shoot. Good to know I should be able to duplicate your light setup and get chrony data even at night. I sit in the driveway and put the target in the garage where it's lit. Keeps the neighbors on edge , but they DO NOT let their dogs take a dump anywhere near my yard.