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xcaliber · Post by **xcaliber** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:46 pm

I have been shooting vertical compound bows for years, do my own cable, and string changes, etc. I had no idea that I would end up with a recurve crossbow when i first began looking into them. What sold me was the warranty is unmatched with Excalibur when you read this forum, and a few others. But the selling points for me were as follows:
You can change a string in seconds.
The owner at the time of my first purchase was an accomplished hunter with trophies from all over the world that he took with his bows.
The loyalty of the customers to the brand that I cannot compare to any other brand base out there.
After getting my first one, I realized I made the right choice, and the 4th one i bought is just as accurate, and reliable as all of them that i have owned.

My two cents!

vixenmaster · Post by **vixenmaster** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:55 pm

I don't knowed which is the better crossbow. I own couple of Excals n a Mission MXB320 Compound. Its more of a choice, which one do you enjoy or like well enuff to own it. Recurves generally are the easiest to work on n faster to take apart n put together again.

Pa.hunter · Post by **Pa.hunter** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:08 pm

If you do a search on customer service I think you will see one of biggest reasons we all love our Excals. Finding a company that backs there product the way they do is almost unheard of these days. The other big thing for me is simplicity. I have bow hunted for 34 years and have learned to keep things as simple as possible. Less to go wrong in the heat of the moment.= Excal.

Charlie

bubba · Post by **bubba** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:37 pm

All three posts before me pretty much says it all..Warranty, Customer service, and this forum. All unmatched = Excalibur.....

SEW · Post by **SEW** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:59 pm

As you know, I own a Sol 350, M380&405. Each has its strengths. I've owned xbows since 1983. My favorite xbows are the last 2 I mentioned . I can do everything at home. Even send in anything broken and receive stuff back. My recurves are the quietest xbows I've owned: didn't start that way but we're modded until they became such. The Excal following and support seems to be unmatched. You can customize until your billfold is empty. My 380 is whisper quiet, yet maintains <2" 100 yd 3-shot groups. The 405 doesn't quite have all the mods, is a little, not much, noisier(still quieter than the Sol 350 w/o the hand guard), and is as accurate shooting as the 380. I shoot coyotes at 100 yds w/o problem. And other things.
Personally, I'd get a Matrix and mod it as you desire and enjoy it indefinitely. It won't go out of style; rather, it'll become a classic. If serious hunting is your goal, the 405 is my pick of the litter unless you will hunt shorter ranges. Flat trajectory is your friend.
If you have a xbow press and want to do your own servicing and can get parts, etc, then a compound could make sense. If I ever get a compound, it'll likely be a Scorpyd. My Sol is a replacement for a 7 year old Strykeforce that is unrepareable. It is on permanent loan to a friend of mine.

paulaboutform · Post by **paulaboutform** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:11 pm

I've shot compound bows (vertical) for almost thirty years and have a full style pro shop at home. I can do all my own tuning (and that of friends) at any time. Not many people have that option or ability. I'm also a certified level 2 (technical and theory) archery coach. I'm telling you this because I have a sound knowledge base of compounds and can assure you that compound crossbows do go out of tune and can do so frequently. I'm sure you don't want to spend your time making trips to a pro shop to keep readjusting your cam sync and timing. I love my compound bows but when it comes to crossbows it's my Excals all the way. I get crazy power and ridiculously scary accuracy. I can and do adjust my brace height in seconds to maintain optimal performance and the bows are brilliantly simple. Just my 2 cents.

Paul

strum · Post by **strum** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:59 am

compound ?..whats that?

vixenmaster · Post by **vixenmaster** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:45 am

strum wrote:compound ?..whats that?

a mixeture of at least 2 or more ingredients

Mo wannabe · Post by **Mo wannabe** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:29 am

Excalibur Only..... Life is to short in hunting season to work on stuff !

Asking Bowman5 · Post by **Asking Bowman5** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:49 am

Mo wannabe wrote:Excalibur Only..... Life is to short in hunting season to work on stuff !

ya I guess your right about that. Excalibur for me.

Asking Bowman5 · Post by **Asking Bowman5** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:49 am

Mo wannabe wrote:Excalibur Only..... Life is to short in hunting season to work on stuff !

ya I guess your right about that. Excalibur for me.

galamb · Post by **galamb** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:48 pm

Compound bows are absolutely more compact. Even the Micro is "wide" compared to some of the compounds on the market.

There is probably three broad classes of crossbow shooters -

1) dedicated target shooters that shoot thousands of shots a year

2) hunter/plinkers - they may not compete but shoot a lot at either targets or animals - their crossbow may be their only "hunting weapon" and it's used for all manner of game - these users may shoot in the "hundreds" of shots a year

3) hail Mary hunters - those who "gun hunt" but try and squeeze out the "deer they missed" during the gun season using a crossbow that sits in the basement/garage until the "need it". It sees maybe a shot or two to make sure it's working and only comes out if the gun hunt was "unsuccessful".

If you fall into the third category then the answer is "whatever is cheapest". Even the worst built bow, be it a Chinese recurve or Barnett bargain basement compound, will last "a lifetime", and most probably without even so much as a string change.

If you fall into either the first or second group, the more you shoot, the more your gear will wear. And the more "mechanical things" involved, the quicker they will wear out.

Add in the uber-heavy draw weight bows that coming out as shooters reach for the speed of sound and that just compounds (pun) the wear and tear on the parts.

Compound = more parts = more things to go wrong = higher odds of a failure

Recurve = less parts = less things to go wrong = lower odds of failure

It's not opinion, it's simple math - if quality is equal then the bow with the greater number of moving parts will fail "sooner".

That doesn't mean that a compound will fail you. Some are extremely well built and could well last your lifetime with little more than string/cable changes.

So (my opinion), if you buy a high-end crossbow, whether it has "training wheels" or not, it comes down to a matter of "personal choice" and I don't see one outperforming the other one way or the other.

xcaliber · Post by **xcaliber** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:52 pm

I don't think you can put it any better than that!

BrotherRon · Post by **BrotherRon** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:32 pm

Pa.hunter wrote:If you do a search on customer service I think you will see one of biggest reasons we all love our Excals. Finding a company that backs there product the way they do is almost unheard of these days. The other big thing for me is simplicity. I have bow hunted for 34 years and have learned to keep things as simple as possible. Less to go wrong in the heat of the moment.= Excal.

Charlie

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