Shady, people are just worried about your well being .
Now having dabbled in just a few triggers . What you have done has been done before by Ten Point a number of years ago . With some disaster at the National Crossbow Matchs in Ohio . There was a number of misinformed discharges . ( I can not call it an accident when you tamper with a trigger unit )
Believe me it is good to experiment . Just not at the risk of safety .
amythntr wrote:....Shady....wanted you to know, I did find the Shady Tree to sit under...so keep your posts a coming...can someone pass me the lemonade?
Anthony
Ewwwe ! Lemonade ?? I would think something WARM sitting in the chilly morning or evening air. I like my K-cup Hazelnut Cappuccino with a cup of Breakfast Blend mixed 50/50 then go out at the pond and watch the fish in the morning.
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amythntr wrote:....Shady....wanted you to know, I did find the Shady Tree to sit under...so keep your posts a coming...can someone pass me the lemonade?
Anthony
Ewwwe ! Lemonade ?? I would think something WARM sitting in the chilly morning or evening air. I like my K-cup Hazelnut Cappuccino with a cup of Breakfast Blend mixed 50/50 then go out at the pond and watch the fish in the morning.
Too Much Fun
....why would I need a Shade Tree but for the hot afternoon, summer sun....i rest my case with a cold lemonade, make that two!
Anthony
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Stick around Shady, it's a great bunch of fellas...and, uhh....fellarinas???...here. it sounds like you have a lot to offer. You should see what happens when we start talking about strings or mechanical vs fixed blade broadheads. We all have something to offer based on our own experience. No one is attacking you so don't take it as that. Again, welcome to the forum.
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I am no machinist but I will ask this question based on a very scary experience I had. can you really trust a single set screw in an environment of high vibration and stress???
I was in my 17 ft flats boat on my boat lift as it was several feet above the water and being lowered by two motors utilizing chains and sprocket gears...a single set screw came loose and the smaller sprocket gear came off, the chain slipped and my boat lift cradle, along with my boat and I slipped suddenly and completely sideways into the water from at least three feet above see level. fortunately and surprisingly no damage to me or the boat but it was a frightening reminder that set screws do not always stay set.
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PS having said this I hope Shady sticks around since this is what healthy debate is all about. I wish I had the expertise to tinker like he does.
Shadytree, Nice work with great pics. I agree that crossbow triggers are the air of simplicity. It doesn't take a degree in quantum physics to rework one to a better degree of function. The shade tree mechanics and basement machinists of the world are the true innovators of many product refinements. Folks that are truly into their sport and equipment will research every angle before taking on any modification task. I applaud the folks who share their work.
I applaud the folks who share work on this site as well , but make no mistake modifying a trigger should not be a DIY project . I'm a licensed tradesperson myself and I've seen very bad things happen when people try to fix there own things that should have been fixed by professionals. Having your trigger polished by someone with experience is ok with me, but drilling, tapping new threads then adding a set screw in your trigger housing is NOT a good idea . A set screw CAN move either way, up or down, whether you use loctite or not. I wouldn't recommend doing this, but no reason to leave the forum. Stick around
Shadytree wrote:Thanks everyone. I'll stick around. Just didn't realize triggers were such a hot topic.
It's not the triggers that are such a hot topic.....
It's people like me that might try something like that and don't have a clue what they are doing.
I don't have a clue... but I wouldn't try it anyway.
Actually, the replies to your post were nothing more than people being concerned about your safety and the safety of others.
No harm done.
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Shadytree wrote:Thanks everyone. I'll stick around. Just didn't realize triggers were such a hot topic.
It's not the triggers that are such a hot topic.....
It's people like me that might try something like that and don't have a clue what they are doing.
I don't have a clue... but I wouldn't try it anyway.
Actually, the replies to your post were nothing more than people being concerned about your safety and the safety of others.
No harm done.
....and a very spirited discussion at that...and that is what this forum is all about....we don't have to agree with each other....just show respect in your responses and give each other a Big Excalibur Hug at the end of the day
Anthony
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Well first of all I admire anyone that can think out of the box and improve on any design. However I am going out on a limb here and make a statement that will probably not sit well with Excalibur managment. Why do we as customers have to purchase or attempt modify/improve a trigger on a $1000.00 crossbow in the first place. I owned an Exomax for several years and the trigger was acceptable not great but good enough. I purchase a Matrix 380 and the trigger was bad....very bad. I end up buying a TT and love it. In my humble opinion when I am paying this much money for a crossbow I would expect to have perfected trigger assembly right from the factory. To somewhat repeat what an Excal employee said above the trigger assembly is the most important part of a crossbow. Well then why oh why do customers have to spend more good money to purchase an aftermarket trigger or have the factory trigger reworked or have someone take the risk of redesigning and fabricating the factory trigger to make it better... If the trigger was machined properly from the factory in the first place none of this would be happening because people would be happy with the trigger as it is maybe not everyone of course but poor machining processes are not acceptable in this day and age. Excal can and should in my opinion do a better job machining these triggers. Thanks.
Michiganhunter wrote: Why do we as customers have to purchase or attempt modify/improve a trigger on a $1000.00 crossbow in the first place.
A lot of guns in the $1000 dollar range get trigger jobs and new drop in units to replace the factory offering, why not a $1000 crossbow?
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Michiganhunter wrote:Well first of all I admire anyone that can think out of the box and improve on any design. However I am going out on a limb here and make a statement that will probably not sit well with Excalibur managment. Why do we as customers have to purchase or attempt modify/improve a trigger on a $1000.00 crossbow in the first place. I owned an Exomax for several years and the trigger was acceptable not great but good enough. I purchase a Matrix 380 and the trigger was bad....very bad. I end up buying a TT and love it. In my humble opinion when I am paying this much money for a crossbow I would expect to have perfected trigger assembly right from the factory. To somewhat repeat what an Excal employee said above the trigger assembly is the most important part of a crossbow. Well then why oh why do customers have to spend more good money to purchase an aftermarket trigger or have the factory trigger reworked or have someone take the risk of redesigning and fabricating the factory trigger to make it better... If the trigger was machined properly from the factory in the first place none of this would be happening because people would be happy with the trigger as it is maybe not everyone of course but poor machining processes are not acceptable in this day and age. Excal can and should in my opinion do a better job machining these triggers. Thanks.
I also have a 380 and the trigger was pretty bad. A lot of creep and not smooth creep. Upon disassembly (I mentioned this earlier) I was surprised by how rough the machining marks were on the sear. They travel across sear on both surfaces creating ridges that rake across each other when the trigger is pulled. My particular trigger had a rather large ridge right at the edge of the sears release point. I spent about 15 minutes polishing, did not remove all the machine marks but managed to get a more consistent surface and increased contact.
Also something to note is that my trigger/sear hits the anodized aluminum housing hard enough to have worn away the anodizing under it, and I only have 40 or so shots through the bow. That was ancillary benefit of the set screw as it removed that point of contact. I should have photographed it before installing the screw but didn't.
What you have done has been done before by Ten Point a number of years ago . With some disaster at the National Crossbow Matchs in Ohio . There was a number of misinformed discharges . 
( I can not call it an accident when you tamper with a trigger unit )
