Wierd Boltcutter performance

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Wierd Boltcutter performance

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The good news is I got first blood with my 355... killed a nice fat doe for the freezer :D . The weird thing is that I shot her at 25 yards, perfectly broadside... a little high in the shoulder but a perfect double lung shot. She made it about 75 yards and piled up,,, but not one drop of blood hit the ground :shock: . I looked for about two hours before I got lucky and found her... maybe it was the high shoulder hit but now I'm a little concerned about the Boltcutters,,, may have to saddle the Slick Tricks back up!
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Congrats on the Doe, and congrats on finding her, not giving up goes a long!
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Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was the exit wound also high?
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Sure was Wabi... I guess the shot distance and a fairly low, 12ft or so stand height, caused that.
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i doubt it was your tip. You gotta hit them low if you want them to leak.
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Congrats on the nice deer. Oh 7 /8 yrs back i shot a 6 pt wid Bolt cutters frontal angle. Hit high but angled down some back thru the diafram into the liver n out. Didn't bleed til about 10 yds before i found him layed about 60 yds of dead runnin
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Congrats on finding her! It's always a thrill!
That's also why I shoot big mechanical heads.
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I would not blame the heads for a high shot not bleeding. I have had several not bleed a drop for 50 to 100 yards over the years on high shots. It only takes a deer a few seconds to run that far once hit. It takes a while for blood to pool up to the exit hole thus no blood trail.
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I had the same experience as you except that my exit was lower. She just didn't bleed much. This is why I won't shoot a fixed blade BH. I love large cutting mechanical BH like the FOC's. Blood trails a blind man can follow and dead dear in about 30 yards.

I am going to pick up some traumas with that huge 3" cut and see how it does. Lots of ventilation for sure with this head.

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You can't judge a broadheads performance with just one kill, just like it not fair to judge a paticular high power rifle bullet with one kill. IMO you should shoot 10 animals with something before you can honestly judge the performance.
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Congrats on the deer!!
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Boltcutters work great. That being said my buddy shot 4 deer with them not 3 drops of blood, he blamed the heads, i say its high hits. We found one of the deer by chance after 2 hours of circular searching. It was hit high. :wink:
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bobcat wrote:i doubt it was your tip. You gotta hit them low if you want them to leak.
When deer are hit in the lungs the only blood they project at first is aspirated(blown from nose as they breathe) in the form of really tiny droplets in the form of a fine mist. The distance between these spatter patterns on the ground is obviously proportional to it's speed and with every exhale. It is very difficult to track. At some point the lungs begin to fill up a bit to a level above the trachea and/or arrow hole(s) and larger droplets are blown out of the nose/arrow holes. Obviously these droplets turn into "globs" of blood as the animal slows down(due to oxygen deprivation) and tracking becomes easier and easier. Obviously large cut BH's can be exception to this by adding droplets from the external tissue cut/bleeding proportional to it's size entrance/exit, but the external rib area does have a limited blood flow, and the large cut does help that initial trail by providing higher quantity of cut veins/arteries to bleed in more volume.

IMHO I've found that blood trails on double lung hits in the center and above are tough to find on an animal that took off running for at least the first 5-10 breaths of the animal, and that could be almost 100 yds or more depending upon it's speed and the height of the hit.

I personally use a small BH and deal with this all the time. My belief is that you are simply suffocating the animal by popping his lungs and depriving him "enough" oxygen to stay conscious. The blood trail has nothing to do with killing the animal in double lung hits. I believe that the reason they run so far is proportional to the holes you punched and how effective the bags(aka lungs) hold air long enough to be absorbed by the alveoli that remain uncovered by blood. This is obviously proportional to the amount of capillaries which are cut by the BH's damage and how quickly the alveoli are covered by the blood hemorrhaging internally. At some point this essential drowns the animal. Obviously blood is thicker and stickier than water so it's much more effective.

For me and my little BH's I expect a 50-150yd trail anyways...
I've often left a marker where I hit the deer and go up 100 yards in his direction of last travel and try zig zagging laterally 50 yds each way to locate some blood rather than obsessing for that first few drops near the site of impact.
This usually helps speed the process up for me in recovering deer.
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flinthead wrote:Sure was Wabi... I guess the shot distance and a fairly low, 12ft or so stand height, caused that.
With a high hit it may have been more a matter of shot placement than the broadhead's cutting ability.

I'm always amazed by how far a deer can go even with a devastating wound. One thing that has stood out to me is how often they will run to where they can stop and have a sense of security (being hidden in heavier cover) then give up the ghost. I've seen one cover close to 200 yards across an open field with almost no blood trail to be found, then stop in the cover of high weeds at the edge of the field and it looked like the blood had been poured out of a bucket. Sometimes they can test your tracking ability, but you did the right thing - never quit until you find the deer, or find evidence it wasn't a fatal hit.
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One of my first crossbow bucks was the same. Little blood till I found him, then blood every where. This forum taught me to aim 2-3" lower than my original aim point. Now my blood trails are out standing. I believe this lower aim point will also eliminate any possible string jumping. Jmo. I never lost faith in the bolt cutters and still use them to this day and have never lost an animal.
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