NAP Spitfire Information
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NAP Spitfire Information
I have NO experience with mechanical broad heads. I presently shoot and have shot Slick Tricks for years. NO complaints. I am interested in the possibility of a wider cut. I would like to hear what the Spitfire users, past and present, have to say.
Pros and cons.......
Pros and cons.......
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Me first! How about all pros and no cons!
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They are terrific well made broadheads. You can hunt with confidence. I gave been using them for years.
Bob
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There are now three (classes) of mechanicals on the market and if you stick to the major mfg's (like NAP, G5 etc) they are all well built and have been refined over the years so the likelihood of failure has been mitigated greatly.
But like anything "mechanical", something CAN go wrong.
The Spitfire is one of the oldest design styles - front deploying. The front deploying type (tend) to eat up the most energy in their deployment stage upon impact. For most of the Excal line-up this isn't an issue because the 355's on up have "gobs of power".
When the broadhead impacts, they must deploy "before" they start cutting - so X amount of your KE is dissipated before it starts "cutting". These rarely fail to deploy, but as noted, they eat up power and MAY significantly reduce penetration in some situations.
If you are shooting an older/slower bow these may not give you the best penetration especially on "less than full broadside shots".
The next design is the rear deploying (Rage's, G5 T3/Havoc's etc). Less energy is expended since these deploy as part of the cutting process - the resistance they encounter causes the blades to "get wider". If these fail to deploy, or fail to deploy properly you still get a cut but it is significantly reduced.
The last design that is becoming more popular (slowly) is the hybrids. They have been around for a good number of years but more mfg's are adding these to their line-ups.
With these you have a small fixed blade (usually 3/4" or 7/8") plus (more often than not) rear deploying blades (up to 3" total in some models). So with the hybrid you often get a "legal cut" from the fixed blade even if they fail to deploy.
Some of the current hybrids are Antler Insanity Battle Axe's, Dead Ringer Rampages or NAP BloodRunner's.
All have their pro's and con's and if you look enough you can find "better than sliced bread results" or "catastrophic failures" with each and every one of them.
I have shot mechanicals for years and have migrated to the Hybrids but the deer I have shot with them didn't end up any "deader" than the first front deploying or the rear deploying heads that I used for the years in between.
Sorry, didn't really answer your question because the answer is 1) either you will love them and the will kill everything you hit or 2) you will hate them and move on to something else and in truth, no-one can give you truly sound advice as to which option you will observe yourself.
But like anything "mechanical", something CAN go wrong.
The Spitfire is one of the oldest design styles - front deploying. The front deploying type (tend) to eat up the most energy in their deployment stage upon impact. For most of the Excal line-up this isn't an issue because the 355's on up have "gobs of power".
When the broadhead impacts, they must deploy "before" they start cutting - so X amount of your KE is dissipated before it starts "cutting". These rarely fail to deploy, but as noted, they eat up power and MAY significantly reduce penetration in some situations.
If you are shooting an older/slower bow these may not give you the best penetration especially on "less than full broadside shots".
The next design is the rear deploying (Rage's, G5 T3/Havoc's etc). Less energy is expended since these deploy as part of the cutting process - the resistance they encounter causes the blades to "get wider". If these fail to deploy, or fail to deploy properly you still get a cut but it is significantly reduced.
The last design that is becoming more popular (slowly) is the hybrids. They have been around for a good number of years but more mfg's are adding these to their line-ups.
With these you have a small fixed blade (usually 3/4" or 7/8") plus (more often than not) rear deploying blades (up to 3" total in some models). So with the hybrid you often get a "legal cut" from the fixed blade even if they fail to deploy.
Some of the current hybrids are Antler Insanity Battle Axe's, Dead Ringer Rampages or NAP BloodRunner's.
All have their pro's and con's and if you look enough you can find "better than sliced bread results" or "catastrophic failures" with each and every one of them.
I have shot mechanicals for years and have migrated to the Hybrids but the deer I have shot with them didn't end up any "deader" than the first front deploying or the rear deploying heads that I used for the years in between.
Sorry, didn't really answer your question because the answer is 1) either you will love them and the will kill everything you hit or 2) you will hate them and move on to something else and in truth, no-one can give you truly sound advice as to which option you will observe yourself.
Graham
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If he doesn't chime in here in a bit, pm vixenmaster. He has killed pick-up loads of deer with the Spitfires, and can give you an honest review. He didn't kill that many deer with them because they don't work or he doesn't like them.
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Paul thx fer the lead in, The Spitfires are a great Mech. the 1 1/2" are solid n i have killed many a tick toter wid'em includin wild hogs. The newer XXX version is a very well made 2" cut n i will be goin to it wid me 380
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Spitfire 125 grain heads are all I've ever run out of the Matrix 380.
IMO they are Deadly. Big Holes, Great Blood Trails & Short Recoveries.
I did have one prematurely open one blade last fall (complete miss on a whitetail buck - fortunately!). As a consequence I now band them with 3/16" dental bands. That has worked well. Never another issue. May be "overkill" with the bands, but they continue to preform as I like.
Can't go much wrong with them methinks.
Cheers,
Nog
IMO they are Deadly. Big Holes, Great Blood Trails & Short Recoveries.
I did have one prematurely open one blade last fall (complete miss on a whitetail buck - fortunately!). As a consequence I now band them with 3/16" dental bands. That has worked well. Never another issue. May be "overkill" with the bands, but they continue to preform as I like.
Can't go much wrong with them methinks.
Cheers,
Nog
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The "just a story" that I posted was related to a NAP Spitfire 125 gr.
7' up in a tree, and app. 58 yds. away, on a ground level 20 yd. shot at a buck!
Pretty sure it was a premature opening that may have glanced off the stirrup of the 380.
Now here's the other thing: I was using one that was not designated crossbow, the old dummy didn't know that at the time!
IronNoggin - Where/how do you band them with the dental bands? I may be able to use the other two for something else by doing that. Been looking for posts about that and this is the first one I've seen.
Needless to say, I wont be using the other 2 to hunt with and have since purchased the Excalibur Bolt Cutters.
7' up in a tree, and app. 58 yds. away, on a ground level 20 yd. shot at a buck!
Pretty sure it was a premature opening that may have glanced off the stirrup of the 380.
Now here's the other thing: I was using one that was not designated crossbow, the old dummy didn't know that at the time!
IronNoggin - Where/how do you band them with the dental bands? I may be able to use the other two for something else by doing that. Been looking for posts about that and this is the first one I've seen.
Needless to say, I wont be using the other 2 to hunt with and have since purchased the Excalibur Bolt Cutters.
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First I double the band on itself. Then roll onto the arrow shaft below the front insert. Screw the boradhead on & tighten. Then roll the doubled band over the broadhead so it fits in the narrowest spot.artifact wrote: Where/how do you band them with the dental bands?
Looks like this when finished:
I consider the Spitfires to be my Go-To Broadhead. Don't be afraid to hunt with the other two you have! You'll likely be most Pleasantly Surprised at the results!
BTW - I tried the Boltcutters. Sold them all literally for a song and will never use them again.
Good Luck!
Cheers,
Nog
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Thank you for the reply and pics.
Will try that, something good to know.
As for the Boltcutters: OH NO! , but I will give them a try.
Will try that, something good to know.
As for the Boltcutters: OH NO! , but I will give them a try.
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I've popped 3 deer this year with bolt cutters. One head was used for 2 deer, possibly the third, but I lost track.
Boltcutters are a solid head. No worries about their performance. They are tough, and fly the same as FP's out of my Micro 335 with Quills.
The spitfire head is also a solid BH. It may well be one of the longest running mech BHs out there, and for good reason. Nothing in the archery world lasts that long if it is not a good design.
Regards,
B
Boltcutters are a solid head. No worries about their performance. They are tough, and fly the same as FP's out of my Micro 335 with Quills.
The spitfire head is also a solid BH. It may well be one of the longest running mech BHs out there, and for good reason. Nothing in the archery world lasts that long if it is not a good design.
Regards,
B
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They are indeed. Flew like field points from my Ibex, ExoMag and Matrix 380.GRUNDY wrote:Boltcutters are a solid head. No worries about their performance. They are tough, and fly the same as FP's out of my Micro 335 with Quills.
And Tough! Most could well be sharpened (or blades replaced) and used again in my experience.
Simply didn't like the blood trails (or lack thereof in my case) generated by the Boltcutters as compared to the Spits. World of difference - again my experience. We each select what makes us Happy.
Cheers,
Nog
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I've been using them for years they work grate and ive had the same ones for along time i just replace the blades after i kill a deer.
Don't know if you have a Academy sports near you but they sell a three pack for 26.99 you mite still save a few bucks ordering online
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Been using Spitfires for a few years and have been happy with the results, I also use a dental band on them. They do seem to bleed off energy when entering but rarely do I not get a pass-thru.
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^^^ This. Switched to Spitfires after entering the crossbow world 4 years ago. 14 deer later I have 4 of 6 which I originally purchased. The replacement blades are inexpensive and easy to install. If ever I need to I will try the 2 inch diameter version.Jeeper wrote:I've been using them for years they work grate and ive had the same ones for along time i just replace the blades after i kill a deer.
Don't know if you have a Academy sports near you but they sell a three pack for 26.99 you mite still save a few bucks ordering online
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NAP SpitfiresXXX - 100 gn
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