Finally answers for the Matrix 350 LE Mossy

[Irondude]

See wildcatter I think your bang on with this. Except there is no indication of any limb probs by itself, seems to be a prob with combination of all parts together as one., So far the closest thing to any official comments came from the dealer. I can tell u with full certainty that he knew what he was talking about, I had no sense of second guessing him. His comment was that the issue was stemming to the stroke due to all the combined parts in short. Backing the stock up approx 2 inches was the fix, and his additional comment of the 350 was nothing more than a shortened 405. Now take his info, combine it with that trigger recall notice and I see maybe a prob that the power stroke exceeded the trigger mech capabilities. Now to me it doesn't make sense to redesign a totally new trigger mech go thru all the hassle and costs to disassemble replace and reassemble the 405 mainframe so it could handle the tension. To me what does make sense is that all the matrix line use an identical mount spec for the limbs to the mainframe. I can say with certainty that they use a cnc machine to mill up these mounts. It makes much more sense to run the mainframes thru it again backing it up 2 inch, problem solved simply and economically. Less stress on that already known trigger issue.
Then just rename it 350 limited addition and watch it fly off the shelves.
We all know that calling something limited edition is a marketing strategy to move product fast and could be just a way to dump remaining stock out for year end.

[Heyu]

It's a mighty morphine ranger. Or a transformer. Not a Frankenstein. In any case, I'd be happy with it for sure.

[newbie]

See wildcatter I think your bang on with this. Except there is no indication of any limb probs by itself, seems to be a prob with combination of all parts together as one., So far the closest thing to any official comments came from the dealer. I can tell u with full certainty that he knew what he was talking about, I had no sense of second guessing him. His comment was that the issue was stemming to the stroke due to all the combined parts in short. Backing the stock up approx 2 inches was the fix, and his additional comment of the 350 was nothing more than a shortened 405. Now take his info, combine it with that trigger recall notice and I see maybe a prob that the power stroke exceeded the trigger mech capabilities. Now to me it doesn't make sense to redesign a totally new trigger mech go thru all the hassle and costs to disassemble replace and reassemble the 405 mainframe so it could handle the tension. To me what does make sense is that all the matrix line use an identical mount spec for the limbs to the mainframe. I can say with certainty that they use a cnc machine to mill up these mounts. It makes much more sense to run the mainframes thru it again backing it up 2 inch, problem solved simply and economically. Less stress on that already known trigger issue.
Then just rename it 350 limited addition and watch it fly off the shelves.
We all know that calling something limited edition is a marketing strategy to move product fast and could be just a way to dump remaining stock out for year end.

Trigger issue was fixed long ago. Same trigger is in the micro.

[Irondude]

I am completely thrilled to be in the right place at the right time to be able to get this model regardless of its origins. I would think for excals entire lineups of various models this is the best bang for the buck in any event.
I am in no way knocking excal in any way. After alot of research before buying i knew excal is one of the best out there.
We all put out hard earned money for our toys and would like the same opportunity to information as the rest of everyone else has with thier models. It's alot of money to spend on secrecy. Lol
I am fully confident that I will enjoy this bow for yrs to come and would say hats off to excal for offering us all thier quality products.

[racking up points]

This thread is a whole lot of conjecture. Nobody here knows the fate of the 405 or the genesis of the 350 LE so let's keep that in perspective. Including the crap that drunkanddirty sprinkles in, there is a ton of misinformation.

There is currently no problem with 405 triggers. As stated they are the same ones used in the Micro which has a comparable draw weight. It was an isolated failure that led to the recall and it has been addressed. Read up on Ten Point triggers and the mess their shooters have been in regarding trigger safety and warranty replacement and you'll be glad you don't own one.

There was a comment with something to the effect of "using certain components together" causing the 405 limb issues. Those same components are used on all Matrix models, the only difference is the stroke. So IF there is a problem, it's likely due to that.

Regarding the genesis of the 350LE, most companies are tight-lipped about the R&D that goes into product development. The 350LE is a brand new limited run model; so there isn't a lot of info out there. But to insinuate that Excalibur is somehow cloak and daggering their customers into buying recycled 405s is ludicrous. Of all the manufacturers I can think of, Excalibur is probably the most transparent. Just look at what Horton Archery did to their shooters before they re-branded with Ten Point. I say, if the lineage of a bow mattered so much to a buyer, then that buyer should do their research before they purchase, not after.

[robertyb]

See wildcatter I think your bang on with this. Except there is no indication of any limb probs by itself, seems to be a prob with combination of all parts together as one., So far the closest thing to any official comments came from the dealer. I can tell u with full certainty that he knew what he was talking about, I had no sense of second guessing him. His comment was that the issue was stemming to the stroke due to all the combined parts in short. Backing the stock up approx 2 inches was the fix, and his additional comment of the 350 was nothing more than a shortened 405. Now take his info, combine it with that trigger recall notice and I see maybe a prob that the power stroke exceeded the trigger mech capabilities. Now to me it doesn't make sense to redesign a totally new trigger mech go thru all the hassle and costs to disassemble replace and reassemble the 405 mainframe so it could handle the tension. To me what does make sense is that all the matrix line use an identical mount spec for the limbs to the mainframe. I can say with certainty that they use a cnc machine to mill up these mounts. It makes much more sense to run the mainframes thru it again backing it up 2 inch, problem solved simply and economically. Less stress on that already known trigger issue.
Then just rename it 350 limited addition and watch it fly off the shelves.
We all know that calling something limited edition is a marketing strategy to move product fast and could be just a way to dump remaining stock out for year end.

Overall length on the 405 is 36.2" and overall length on the 350 is 34.75".
This is a difference of 1.45" that was cut from the barrel to decrease the draw length and poundage. Where are you coming up with 2" being cut off the stock? Cutting the stock would not affect draw length or poundage of a bow.
The trigger recall has nothing at all to do with this. That was a trigger issue only and was resolved long ago.

[Irondude]

Racking up points I completely respect every word you say and can clearly see your point. On the flip side what I would find ludicrous is that a very well long time established respected retailer in all outdoor and hunting equipment would purposely mislead a long time customer and lead me to believe something completely false. That's not a very good salesmanship tactic but the same goes for telling me this to begin with. I'd like to believe the lesser of the 2 evils myself. Id like to believe what im am told rather than call my dealer a liar on his product knowledge and representaion of him, his store and as a representitive of excal. As far as actually numbers of specifications in regards to the cut back I'm sure his 2 inch comment was just a round number for the sake of simple conversation and not to get into engineering detailing about it.

[Rusty Gate]

This is all getting so complicated. My one, my first, and my only crossbow to date is the 405. It was one of the very early models involved in the trigger recall, which went flawlessly, and in fact I feel the replacement trigger is superior then the original. The LIMBS are the original factory limbs. I really can't tell you how many shots I've taken, but I'd going with a lot! I have no reason to doubt my bow at this point, but certainly feel for those that have had limb issues, regardless of model. Going forward I know Excal will support this product should I ever need it. My question/concern is that should I ever need limbs, what is likely to be the replacement

RG

[newbie]

This is all getting so complicated. My one, my first, and my only crossbow to date is the 405. It was one of the very early models involved in the trigger recall, which went flawlessly, and in fact I feel the replacement trigger is superior then the original. The LIMBS are the original factory limbs. I really can't tell you how many shots I've taken, but I'd going with a lot! I have no reason to doubt my bow at this point, but certainly feel for those that have had limb issues, regardless of model. Going forward I know Excal will support this product should I ever need it. My question/concern is that should I ever need limbs, what is likely to be the replacement

RG

new limbs would be my guess

[otisbrazwell]

what is (stalk) on a crossbow? this guy could be a drunken friend to the other slobbering nut..all the matrix have the same limbs just colors change..so a shorter rail means the limb is bent less..thats why I went from a 405 to a 355 and now have NO limb problems..why would a fella buy a 350 when he could buy a 355 ? only thing good a bout a kodabow is you can buy rails it would be nice if Excalibur sold rails..id buy a 405 rail just to go 50fps faster on longer hunts..i say post a real picture of the 350 with limbs that are not as wide..limb problems are from a batch that were over heated how often is that done or how mixed up there are who knows?..my 355 for me shoots better than 335 micro,m 380 and m405 ..why? less stress on the limbs

[Rusty Gate]

This is all getting so complicated. My one, my first, and my only crossbow to date is the 405. It was one of the very early models involved in the trigger recall, which went flawlessly, and in fact I feel the replacement trigger is superior then the original. The LIMBS are the original factory limbs. I really can't tell you how many shots I've taken, but I'd going with a lot! I have no reason to doubt my bow at this point, but certainly feel for those that have had limb issues, regardless of model. Going forward I know Excal will support this product should I ever need it. My question/concern is that should I ever need limbs, what is likely to be the replacement

RG

new limbs would be my guess

My guess as well....but hopefully from a more current batch of the improved variety, not the ones that folks have been receiving and experiencing multiple failures with.

[racking up points]

Racking up points I completely respect every word you say and can clearly see your point. On the flip side what I would find ludicrous is that a very well long time established respected retailer in all outdoor and hunting equipment would purposely mislead a long time customer and lead me to believe something completely false. That's not a very good salesmanship tactic but the same goes for telling me this to begin with. I'd like to believe the lesser of the 2 evils myself. Id like to believe what im am told rather than call my dealer a liar on his product knowledge and representaion of him, his store and as a representitive of excal.

Irondude, you've edited your original post, so maybe I missed it but how were you misled and by whom? Is it because the picture of the bow you bought was a 405 or because the description you read was that of a 405? The pictures that were posted, I see it clearly labeled as a 350LE on the box so how were you misled? In either case, I'd agree with you that the dealer network needs some educating.

The fact that there was no information on the web about this item is because it's new and there are limited numbers of them. It's not a conspiracy.

[otisbrazwell]

so we have xbows with stalks?

[janesy]

It kinds makes sense to me that excal is thinning down the 405's.
When I ordered my 355 in the beginning of December, there was a 405 on the wall. On pick up of the 355 I was going back and forth on maybe taking the 405 instead. He explain that if I wanted to 405, I needed to take that one. As he was not able to order any 405's at the time. He told me the 405, ibex, axiom and another model which name escapes me were all slated to be dropped soon, and they were slowing the supply down already.
All I'm saying, and take it anyway you like, is that this move by excal fits perfectly with what my dealer told me was coming down the pipe.

...still on the fence for that 405, but man do I love my 355!

[wildcatter]

If this was what the shop told you, most here know they sure dindn't know what they are talking about. But that doesn't surprise me with any so called Pro shop knowing what they are talking about with any bow now days!!

I am not saying there are no bow shops that know about and specialize in what they sell,,, but I do know they are becoming very far and few between!! This is why I won't buy or own a bow if I can't service it myself. The last two or three times I had a pro shop do anything, I ended up finishing or fixing what they did!

I can't believe that what this guy told you Irondude is the actual way it is, but we will see soon enough when the limbs are fixed and the 405 is shipping again,,, I sure wouldn't think this fine company we have all come to honor and trust would stick their faithful followers with bows that were not capable of the reliability we all have come to expect with our equipment. I have not really been shooting mine yet but that's because I am quite confident in my 380's after almost 2 full seasons, another model at one time a few were crying the sky is falling about,,,, and am in the midle of hunting season, so I will go with what I spent the summer preparing. But I will agree with racking up points,, it is quite obvious Excalibur could greatly reduce much of their problems by educating dealers,,,,,and throwing a stringing aid in the box of all new bows, and insisting the dealers explain it's purpose and use!!