About calling them bolts or arrows
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About calling them bolts or arrows
I found this piece of information on an other forum and i think the writer is right: we are using arrows for the crossbow and not bolts...
While the advancement of the modern crossbow continues to reach new levels in technology, design, and build materials, so do crossbow arrows. That’s right, I said “arrows”. You may be thinking, doesn’t he mean crossbow bolt? Quite often people confuse a crossbow arrow with the term crossbow bolt. I’d like to point out they are two very different projectiles. While both can be shot from a crossbow, a crossbow bolt is in no way close to a crossbow arrow. So let’s look at some of the differences that make one and arrow and one a bolt.
Crossbow arrows of today have plastic fletching or feathers to help stabilize and guide the arrow in flight. Most of the time there are three total vanes or fletchings spaced at 120 degrees apart from each other around the circumference of the arrow shaft. However some crossbows can shoot a two or four fletched arrow. These arrows are normally anywhere from 17” to 26” long, with the majority of crossbow arrows measuring in at 20”-22” long depending on a manufacturers recommendations. Most of todays crossbow arrows weigh in at somewhere between 400 - 425 grains for compound style crossbows and between 350 - 400 grains for recurve style crossbows and feature some sort of removal point or tip. The point or tip can vary in weight and come in a variety of offerings suited for target practice, small and large game, and even specific tips for turkeys and or fish. Tips or points used for hunting that contain sharpened blades are called broadheads, while practice tips are often called field points. Todays arrows are often made from carbon or aluminum. They flex when shot and require a good front of center balance point in order to achieve maximum accuracy. Crossbow arrows also contain some sort of end cap at the rear of the shaft called a “nock”. Nocks can be straight across the back of the arrow called “flat” nocks or they can have a crescent shaped indent to help prevent a string from jumping over or sliding under the arrow when fired. These types of nocks are called “moon” nocks. And there is even a third style that feature a deeper groove in the nock much like traditional arrows would have. These crossbow specific nocks are called “capture” nocks.
Crossbow bolts however have none of these characteristics. Crossbow bolts, or sometimes referred to as quarrels are much shorter in length than arrows. When it comes to the overall weight of crossbow bolts or quarrels, it is not uncommon for them to weigh as much as three times the weight as a modern arrow. They are usually made from some type of metal but have also been known to be made from wood. They are very stiff and do not flex like an arrow. They provided very high kinetic energy depending on what type of bow they are shot from and were even known to be able to pierce midlevel chain mail or armor. Crossbow bolts do not have any fletching or feathers to help guide them in flight. As a result the crossbow bolt often looses accuracy quickly and are much better suited for close range targets. While there are known variations as far as tip or point style, most were designated for one purpose only and points were not interchangeable.
So why do most hunters call todays arrows crossbow bolts and not arrows? Well for starters most of the arrows say “bolt” right on them. Arrow manufactures market crossbow arrows as crossbow bolts. This is a term that carried over from the first commercially available crossbow arrows from over 30 years ago and kind of stuck around. I am hoping that some manufactures step up and realized that the crossbow arrow has been mislabeled for decades and start marketing them as what they truly are, and that is arrows. Not only is this the correct terminology for the arrow, but with todays state by state legislation battles aiming to get crossbows included into archery seasons, it sure would be nice to make it a point that they shoot arrows just like vertical bows do. As the consumer, we have also accepted the industry standard of labeling arrows as bolts. This mistake is something that the uniformed crossbow hunter or enthusiast probably doesn’t even know he or she is making. Thus the reason for this article. I want to make sure people realize they are not using crossbow bolts to hunt or shoot with and are actually using arrows. I would like to see manufactures adopt “crossbow arrow” as the new industry standard. I think in the near future we will see the “bolt” tag fall by the wayside. Until then, I will do my part to try and inform the crossbow community that crossbow bolts, aren’t for crossbows anymore.
While the advancement of the modern crossbow continues to reach new levels in technology, design, and build materials, so do crossbow arrows. That’s right, I said “arrows”. You may be thinking, doesn’t he mean crossbow bolt? Quite often people confuse a crossbow arrow with the term crossbow bolt. I’d like to point out they are two very different projectiles. While both can be shot from a crossbow, a crossbow bolt is in no way close to a crossbow arrow. So let’s look at some of the differences that make one and arrow and one a bolt.
Crossbow arrows of today have plastic fletching or feathers to help stabilize and guide the arrow in flight. Most of the time there are three total vanes or fletchings spaced at 120 degrees apart from each other around the circumference of the arrow shaft. However some crossbows can shoot a two or four fletched arrow. These arrows are normally anywhere from 17” to 26” long, with the majority of crossbow arrows measuring in at 20”-22” long depending on a manufacturers recommendations. Most of todays crossbow arrows weigh in at somewhere between 400 - 425 grains for compound style crossbows and between 350 - 400 grains for recurve style crossbows and feature some sort of removal point or tip. The point or tip can vary in weight and come in a variety of offerings suited for target practice, small and large game, and even specific tips for turkeys and or fish. Tips or points used for hunting that contain sharpened blades are called broadheads, while practice tips are often called field points. Todays arrows are often made from carbon or aluminum. They flex when shot and require a good front of center balance point in order to achieve maximum accuracy. Crossbow arrows also contain some sort of end cap at the rear of the shaft called a “nock”. Nocks can be straight across the back of the arrow called “flat” nocks or they can have a crescent shaped indent to help prevent a string from jumping over or sliding under the arrow when fired. These types of nocks are called “moon” nocks. And there is even a third style that feature a deeper groove in the nock much like traditional arrows would have. These crossbow specific nocks are called “capture” nocks.
Crossbow bolts however have none of these characteristics. Crossbow bolts, or sometimes referred to as quarrels are much shorter in length than arrows. When it comes to the overall weight of crossbow bolts or quarrels, it is not uncommon for them to weigh as much as three times the weight as a modern arrow. They are usually made from some type of metal but have also been known to be made from wood. They are very stiff and do not flex like an arrow. They provided very high kinetic energy depending on what type of bow they are shot from and were even known to be able to pierce midlevel chain mail or armor. Crossbow bolts do not have any fletching or feathers to help guide them in flight. As a result the crossbow bolt often looses accuracy quickly and are much better suited for close range targets. While there are known variations as far as tip or point style, most were designated for one purpose only and points were not interchangeable.
So why do most hunters call todays arrows crossbow bolts and not arrows? Well for starters most of the arrows say “bolt” right on them. Arrow manufactures market crossbow arrows as crossbow bolts. This is a term that carried over from the first commercially available crossbow arrows from over 30 years ago and kind of stuck around. I am hoping that some manufactures step up and realized that the crossbow arrow has been mislabeled for decades and start marketing them as what they truly are, and that is arrows. Not only is this the correct terminology for the arrow, but with todays state by state legislation battles aiming to get crossbows included into archery seasons, it sure would be nice to make it a point that they shoot arrows just like vertical bows do. As the consumer, we have also accepted the industry standard of labeling arrows as bolts. This mistake is something that the uniformed crossbow hunter or enthusiast probably doesn’t even know he or she is making. Thus the reason for this article. I want to make sure people realize they are not using crossbow bolts to hunt or shoot with and are actually using arrows. I would like to see manufactures adopt “crossbow arrow” as the new industry standard. I think in the near future we will see the “bolt” tag fall by the wayside. Until then, I will do my part to try and inform the crossbow community that crossbow bolts, aren’t for crossbows anymore.
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Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
We are there already, your the first guy to mention bolts in a long time
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Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
I have all ways called them arrows .
Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
Me too. If you look at the Black Eagle Arrow website, you'll find very fee references to the word bolt. That's the kind of company we should patronize.hunter with MS wrote:I have all ways called them arrows .
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Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
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Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
I say call it what ever you wish as long as I understand what the person is trying to say then it is a mute point. All too often too much political correctness just stifles the conversation.
I have seen it happen one too many times over the years when someone ask for advice only to see the thread get side track on such mute point.
And the person never getting the information they were after in the first place.
Which in a lot of cases leads to the individual ( s ) withdrawing from the general conversation of the forum.
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I have seen it happen one too many times over the years when someone ask for advice only to see the thread get side track on such mute point.
And the person never getting the information they were after in the first place.
Which in a lot of cases leads to the individual ( s ) withdrawing from the general conversation of the forum.
CC
Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
The only time I've heard anyone call them "bolts" are guy's who just bought their first crossbow, and after they are corrected or laughed at once or twice they, get on-board pretty quickly..
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Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
So if bolts arent for crossbows any more, do we still call them crossbows? If they use arrows like a bow then why not change the name to "horizontally stock affixed short bow?"
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Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
x2 ,,,,,,colouredchameleon wrote:I say call it what ever you wish as long as I understand what the person is trying to say then it is a mute point. All too often too much political correctness just stifles the conversation.
I have seen it happen one too many times over the years when someone ask for advice only to see the thread get side track on such mute point.
And the person never getting the information they were after in the first place.
Which in a lot of cases leads to the individual ( s ) withdrawing from the general conversation of the forum.
CC
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vixenmaster custom string
swacker bhs, 2/1/4" cut 120 grn.
xx75 Easton 2219,s
firebolt arrows
S5 pads
if it ain't broke don't fix it
be safe in all you do
see ya in the woods
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Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
Anyone calling arrows bolts is ignorant of what a bolt really is and is ignorant of the fight for inclusion that many had to endure. Some traditional and compoud shooters who still have that elitist attitude use the word bolt to try to suggest that using a crossbow is not archery.
The fight for inclusion took a whole lot of work, heart ache and money.
The fight for inclusion took a whole lot of work, heart ache and money.
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Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
I don't see it as much of a difference either way.
Practically everyone that uses a smart phone or a tablet thinks that Wikipedia has the final word on definitions and this is what they say:
A quarrel or bolt is the arrow used in a crossbow.[1] The name "quarrel" is derived from the French carré, "square", referring to the fact that they typically have square heads. Although their length varies, they are typically shorter than traditional arrows.
And if I go on-line to order my bolts/arrows you find them listed at places like Cabela's, Gander Mountain, Dick's and even my personal "go to" source, Lancaster Archery as "Crossbow Bolts/Arrows".
And I type this sitting on my "couch" or is it a "chesterfield"?
And is it a "washroom", "lavatory", "water closet" or "bathroom"? And does it even matter if the term is "commonly accepted" to mean a specific thing or item?
Practically everyone that uses a smart phone or a tablet thinks that Wikipedia has the final word on definitions and this is what they say:
A quarrel or bolt is the arrow used in a crossbow.[1] The name "quarrel" is derived from the French carré, "square", referring to the fact that they typically have square heads. Although their length varies, they are typically shorter than traditional arrows.
And if I go on-line to order my bolts/arrows you find them listed at places like Cabela's, Gander Mountain, Dick's and even my personal "go to" source, Lancaster Archery as "Crossbow Bolts/Arrows".
And I type this sitting on my "couch" or is it a "chesterfield"?
And is it a "washroom", "lavatory", "water closet" or "bathroom"? And does it even matter if the term is "commonly accepted" to mean a specific thing or item?
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Re: About calling them bolts or arrows
papabear1 wrote:x2 ,,,,,,colouredchameleon wrote:I say call it what ever you wish as long as I understand what the person is trying to say then it is a mute point. All too often too much political correctness just stifles the conversation.
I have seen it happen one too many times over the years when someone ask for advice only to see the thread get side track on such mute point.
And the person never getting the information they were after in the first place.
Which in a lot of cases leads to the individual ( s ) withdrawing from the general conversation of the forum.
CC
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