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say bye to deer and moose up north

Post by Ontario Savage » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:14 pm

Doesn't it make you feel good that our resources are being managed so well here in ontario
What an absolute disgrace....

Province places immediate ban on wolf/coyote hunting and trapping in 40 townships across Ontario as season was set to open

https://www.ofah.org/2016/09/emotion-wi ... oyote-ban/

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Re: say bye to deer and moose up north

Post by sproulman » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:24 pm

Coyotes are killing are fawns bigtime here in pa..also bears are killing fawns

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Post by mmc » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:37 am

Wolves are the cornerstone of their re-wilding agenda. In a decade or two they plan on humans not living there, and with highly restricted recreational access.
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Post by buffalo » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:07 pm

Down here in south carolina, the study has been posted that coyote alone are killing 60% of all fawns within 6 months of age.

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Post by Doe Master » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:03 pm

What perturbs me is the city-its want to protect the bears ,coyotes and wolves up north . But if one happens to come too close to town . The cry is kill it !!!
I think all the critters that they want protected should be live trapped and put down in the humber valley and such . :lol:
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Post by 8ptbuk » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:34 pm

I know here in SW Va. Where I live the coyotes have reduced our deer herds significantly! I can't imagine have wolves added on to the problem. Hate it for you guys !
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Post by Bones » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:21 pm

Wmu's effected 42 , 53a , 56 ,57 ,60 and 75 Seem's like Wmu's around algonquin park , Think they want to have them thrive in the park ?? These Wmu numbers just came from a chat i had with ofah. Wolves are dropping where I'm going moose hunting next week if seen.

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Post by IronNoggin » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:13 pm

Piss Poor planning and "management".
This WILL come home to bite them in the butt eventually.

Here in BC (and to some extent Alberta) we have real problems with exploding wolf populations. Hunting, nor even trapping makes much of a dent. The issue for our ungulates (moose, elk, deer, caribou) is they are under increasing and constant pressure. Not tough to imagine what that means for their populations of late.

Sad OnTerrible can't recognize what is happening in other jurisdictions in this regard. Perhaps they will when it is their dogs / cats / wives / children under the gun by increasing predator populations that decide to move in to town... :evil:

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Post by Fazan » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:26 pm

Doe Master wrote:What perturbs me is the city-its want to protect the bears ,coyotes and wolves up north . But if one happens to come too close to town . The cry is kill it !!!
I think all the critters that they want protected should be live trapped and put down in the humber valley and such . :lol:
I happen to live in Humber Valley Village, but totally agree with you.
Furthermore I would populate Toronto parks with Massassauga ratle snakes so city folks here can enjoy their beauty, privilege farmers and cottagers in Parry Sound area enjoy for a while now. $2000 fine if you kill one on your grass up there and get caught.

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Post by deadeer » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:40 pm

Like usual, sad when people that have no idea about something are in charge. As stated, should drop off some yotes and rattlers in their neighborhoods and let them deal with the consequences. Their minds might change.

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Re: say bye to deer and moose up north

Post by galamb » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:21 am

Half of those WMU's have already long had the moose population decimated.

Back maybe a dozen or so years ago all the WMU's on the east side of Algonquin Park had calf hunting restricted due to low moose numbers. For those not familiar with Ontario Moose hunting, you buy your licence which is a calf tag (valid in any area) then you apply to a lottery for an adult tag. Anyhow, due to low numbers around Algonquin Park they added calves to the lottery. After more than a dozen years the numbers continued to drop for various reasons including predators (bears/wolves).

Now since the Moose are pretty well gone (and the deer range is a little further south, at least on the east side of the park) they may as well protect the Algonquin Wolves (which is the thrust of this change).

While I agree that most hunters can't tell the difference between a Coyote and a Wolf at distance, 100 years ago we didn't have Coyote's here. Now they are everywhere and protecting the wolves will allow the Yote population to explode in the restricted areas, possibly to the detriment of the Wolves they are trying to protect.

But what the heck - there are little to no moose in half those WMU's, may as well have "some wild animals left" so the MNRF and their puppet masters in the government can show what "great managers" they are for Ontario wildlife :lol: :lol:
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Re: say bye to deer and moose up north

Post by cadmaster » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:54 pm

We should pay the mnr based on increase or decrease in fish and game populations, but then there would be 10000000000 starving mnr office pogues and 5 unemployed conservation officers.

IMHO the MNR has screwed up the fish and game management so bad that there is not much chance of it recovering in the next 50 years if anything it will get worse and we hill have to hunt and fish in other provinces. I wonder why we cannot get it together and effectively manage the resources we have, other provinces seem to be doing it well why not us?

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Post by janesy » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:25 pm

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Re: say bye to deer and moose up north

Post by galamb » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:54 pm

Anytime the "science" takes second place to "political will" it is never going to turn out well.

And as long as the MNRF has to answer to, and ultimately their jobs depend on the "cabinet minister", you know "whose" opinion is going to win...
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