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I know its in this forum archives somewhere? Searched for a bit but gave up. I have a Brand " X " cross bow that has really shot tight at 80 yard's with junk arrow's ( No mention ) but will say the bow behave's a lot better with these verses the zombie's I shoot out of my excal's . The executioner's where close but still not as consistent .All arrow's where within a few gr. making some junk arrow's up for this bow that shoot great .. LOl Now getting finicky ? Spine up or spine down on the rail or stiff up or stiff down ??? Figure You guy's could give me a reminder.