Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Ferguson Outfitters » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:26 pm

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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by grouse » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:50 am

To me it's "the simpler the better". Whatever vibration my bow makes doesn't effect my shots and the noise doesn't seem to cost me any deer. The only gadget that ever hangs from my bows is a quiver and I remove that when I'm in a stand.
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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Ferguson Outfitters » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:02 am

grouse wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:50 am
To me it's "the simpler the better". Whatever vibration my bow makes doesn't effect my shots and the noise doesn't seem to cost me any deer. The only gadget that ever hangs from my bows is a quiver and I remove that when I'm in a stand.
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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Ferguson Outfitters » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:38 pm

Well, I got these things in today. I was surprised that both of them together including set screws only weigh 2 1/4 ounces. Can’t really get anymore minimalistic than that and still be functional.

I might try them tomorrow.

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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Normous » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:05 pm

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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Ferguson Outfitters » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:35 pm

I shot the bow today with new string and bumpers.

A couple of things, This new string which some say is “shortened” will not sit any closer than 5/8” from the bumper with no twist (for now).

Even at that great distance the string actually flexes that far to hit the bumpers,this surprised me.

There is no handling difference weight wise. I can tell more of a thud -vs- the thong sound. Was it worth the $25, probably. Even if it just changes the tone and reduces vibration.

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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by janesy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:49 am

Ferguson Outfitters wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:35 pm
I shot the bow today with new string and bumpers.

A couple of things, This new string which some say is “shortened” will not sit any closer than 5/8” from the bumper with no twist (for now).

Even at that great distance the string actually flexes that far to hit the bumpers,this surprised me.

There is no handling difference weight wise. I can tell more of a thud -vs- the thong sound. Was it worth the $25, probably. Even if it just changes the tone and reduces vibration.
The "new" strings are being manufactured to fit the "micro riser" equipt Bulldog matrix series. They utilize a slightly shorter string due to the swept angle and subsequently higher brace height, compared to the older matrix riser based bows. It's very common to find that the strings now are on the short side. They will stretch down after time, and will ultimately land around 3/8 to 1/4 off the bumpers, so has been reported.
It's harmless and actually easier on the bows. And less adjusting.
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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Ferguson Outfitters » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:58 pm

Is the string the same spec material? (As per “Less adjusting”)

Is the higher brace height slowing the bolt down?

How is it easier on the bow?

Is it wrong for folk to want a string out of the box that will set right where you want it?

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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by janesy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:09 pm

Ferguson Outfitters wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:58 pm
Is the string the same spec material? (As per “Less adjusting”)

Yes same material, Less adjustment because it will take longer to be too short

Is the higher brace height slowing the bolt down?

In theory it is possible, but not enough to worry about.

How is it easier on the bow?

Higher brace height is always easier on the limbs

Is it wrong for folk to want a string out of the box that will set right where you want it?

It's not, but it will stretch out, and it will work perfectly fine. This has been covered many times. Your good to go.
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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Ferguson Outfitters » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:43 pm

So the string stretch rate is the same, its like a glass half empty -vs full situation. The ONLY thing that takes longer is getting to the brace height of my satisfaction

I see it as taking too long to get it where I want it -vs how nice it was just to put twist in the string to match my brace height.

Its like pouring me a beer half full of suds and telling me I’ll get to the beer eventually.

It does make a difference, I think the shorter string is a bad idea.

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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Bcxbow » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:59 pm

That’s why they call them opinions.
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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by janesy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:04 pm

I'm just presenting you with the facts. How you choose to interpret them is just fine with me.
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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Ferguson Outfitters » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:10 pm

I presented facts too.

But certainly it takes longer for the string to reach the point where it needs adjustment when you start so far over factory recommendations on the high end. It could take years to reach my selected height.

So NO, the string ain’t stretching slower, and it ain’t taking longer to get “too short”, I think you meant too long. It takes long enough for it to stretch to proper maximum brace height as recommended by Excalibur’s PDF much less to my chosen height.

I know it ain’t gonna hurt nothing according to the String page but...
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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by janesy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:21 pm

Ferguson Outfitters wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:10 pm
I presented facts too.

But certainly it takes longer for the string to reach the point where it needs adjustment when you start so far over factory recommendations on the high end. It could take years to reach my selected height.

So NO, the string ain’t stretching slower, and it ain’t taking longer to get “too short”, I think you meant too long. It takes long enough for it to stretch to proper maximum brace height as recommended by Excalibur’s PDF much less to my chosen height.

I don’t see how thats a good thing, just the facts as you and Excalibur presented them.
Well, buy the correct string next time. Problem solved
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Re: Do REDS make a diff under 340fps?

Post by Ferguson Outfitters » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:22 pm

But it is the correct string

http://www.excaliburcrossbow.com/accessories/strings-aids/matrix-string-standard

My bad Jansey, I see your one of them Canadians where y’all are used to settling for what you get.

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