Professors, gun policy experts urge government to scrap 'flawed' Bill C-21
The group says the bill won't address the root causes of gun violence, or stop the flow of illegal guns coming into Canada
As Canada’s controversial gun control legislation undergoes consideration in the Senate, a group of professors, researchers and firearms policy experts say Bill C-21 will do little to combat violent crime and may even do more harm than good.
The letter — addressed to the prime minister, the leaders of all major federal parties, current Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino and members of the house public safety committee — claims the bill contradicts existing evidence on the effectiveness of gun control, and will do little to reduce violent crime in Canada’s cities.
Noah Schwartz, assistant political science professor at the University of the Fraser Valley and the letter’s author, told the National Post he’s hoping to convince senators to make some “fairly substantial” amendments to C-21 to refocus the bill toward public safety.
“The bill, as it stands, doesn’t really address major public safety concerns,” he said.
“There are parts of it that are wasteful, and that are actually harmful to some of the communities in Canada, especially in rural and remote areas.”
“The existing system works very, very well,” Schwartz said.
“Several organizations, including women’s groups and the Canadian Bar Association have said the existing laws are ‘sufficient and preferable to the proposed changes.'”
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/gun-policy-experts-urge-government-to-scrap-bill-c-21
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C21 Update: Expected Senate Timeline = No C-21 Before Fall/Winter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFEG_6vha1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFEG_6vha1I
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New Zealand’s gun buyback suggests Ottawa’s won’t work
In May 2020, the federal government announced a ban on 1,500 types of what it called “assault-style” firearms. As part of this ban, it has promised to provide “fair compensation” to gun owners whose firearms it confiscates.
The ban’s aim is to keep Canadians safe. “Enough is enough,” said then-minister of public safety Bill Blair. “Banning these firearms will save Canadian lives.” But will this scheme actually make Canadians safer? And what will it cost? The government of New Zealand recently completed its own gun ban and buyback. It provides a good case study of the effects such a program can have.
Like Canada, New Zealand has a substantial number of firearms and firearms owners: 26.3 firearms per 100 persons, compared to Canada’s 34.7. In 2019, in response to a tragic mass shooting in Christchurch, the government banned certain guns and implemented a buyback. Unlike Ottawa, however, which has focused its ban on specific “assault-style” firearms, New Zealand banned almost all semi-automatic firearms.
The buyback ran from June to December 2019 and involved confiscation of over 60,000 firearms, though New Zealand police have estimated the total number of prohibited firearms in the country might be as many as 240,000. The buyback wasn’t cheap. The government initially budgeted $16 million (in C$) for the administrative costs of the program. In the end, the country’s auditor general found, costs had almost doubled, to about $31 million. But that was just for administration. The cost of compensating gun owners was about $106 million, which works out to a per firearm price of about $1,800. Those numbers are for a country with a population of just over five million — one-eighth ours.
After the guns were bought and removed from the hands of New Zealanders, what happened to gun crime? Violent gun crime actually went up. During the decade before the buyback violent firearm offences averaged 932 a year. In 2019, the year of the buyback, there were 1,142 offences; in 2020, 1,156; in 2021, 1,338; and last year, 1,444. That’s up almost 55 per cent over the pre-ban decade. New Zealanders evidently did not become safer because the government took away firearms from law-abiding gun owners.
This confirms the suspicions of many Canadian experts. The National Police Federation, the union that represents the RCMP, says Ottawa’s buyback is costly legislation that does not address current or urgent threats to public safety. “In fact,” the union says, “it diverts extremely important personnel, resources, and funding away from addressing the more immediate and growing threat of criminal use of illegal firearms.”
What’s the likely cost of Ottawa’s buyback? In 2019, the government said it would be $200 million. But history and independent estimates suggest a much higher bill than that. The last major gun control program in Canada was the long-gun registry. The government initially promised it would only cost $2 million. The final tab was over $2 billion.
The Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated that just confiscating the guns, not including any associated administrative costs, would leave taxpayers on the hook for up to $756 million. In 2022, the government had already spent $3.7 million on the buyback — even before confiscating a single gun.
In April, Ottawa announced it will be implementing the first stage of the program, buying banned guns from retailers. Wes Winkel, president of the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association (CSAAA), which is working with the federal government on this part of the buyback, estimates the cost will be in the billions of dollars.
New Zealand’s experience shows gun buybacks don’t reduce gun crime. The federal government shouldn’t be wasting taxpayer dollars on an expensive program that is unlikely to work. Ottawa needs to scrap the gun ban and buyback. There are better ways to fight crime.
https://financialpost.com/opinion/new-zealand-ottawa-gun-buyback
In May 2020, the federal government announced a ban on 1,500 types of what it called “assault-style” firearms. As part of this ban, it has promised to provide “fair compensation” to gun owners whose firearms it confiscates.
The ban’s aim is to keep Canadians safe. “Enough is enough,” said then-minister of public safety Bill Blair. “Banning these firearms will save Canadian lives.” But will this scheme actually make Canadians safer? And what will it cost? The government of New Zealand recently completed its own gun ban and buyback. It provides a good case study of the effects such a program can have.
Like Canada, New Zealand has a substantial number of firearms and firearms owners: 26.3 firearms per 100 persons, compared to Canada’s 34.7. In 2019, in response to a tragic mass shooting in Christchurch, the government banned certain guns and implemented a buyback. Unlike Ottawa, however, which has focused its ban on specific “assault-style” firearms, New Zealand banned almost all semi-automatic firearms.
The buyback ran from June to December 2019 and involved confiscation of over 60,000 firearms, though New Zealand police have estimated the total number of prohibited firearms in the country might be as many as 240,000. The buyback wasn’t cheap. The government initially budgeted $16 million (in C$) for the administrative costs of the program. In the end, the country’s auditor general found, costs had almost doubled, to about $31 million. But that was just for administration. The cost of compensating gun owners was about $106 million, which works out to a per firearm price of about $1,800. Those numbers are for a country with a population of just over five million — one-eighth ours.
After the guns were bought and removed from the hands of New Zealanders, what happened to gun crime? Violent gun crime actually went up. During the decade before the buyback violent firearm offences averaged 932 a year. In 2019, the year of the buyback, there were 1,142 offences; in 2020, 1,156; in 2021, 1,338; and last year, 1,444. That’s up almost 55 per cent over the pre-ban decade. New Zealanders evidently did not become safer because the government took away firearms from law-abiding gun owners.
This confirms the suspicions of many Canadian experts. The National Police Federation, the union that represents the RCMP, says Ottawa’s buyback is costly legislation that does not address current or urgent threats to public safety. “In fact,” the union says, “it diverts extremely important personnel, resources, and funding away from addressing the more immediate and growing threat of criminal use of illegal firearms.”
What’s the likely cost of Ottawa’s buyback? In 2019, the government said it would be $200 million. But history and independent estimates suggest a much higher bill than that. The last major gun control program in Canada was the long-gun registry. The government initially promised it would only cost $2 million. The final tab was over $2 billion.
The Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated that just confiscating the guns, not including any associated administrative costs, would leave taxpayers on the hook for up to $756 million. In 2022, the government had already spent $3.7 million on the buyback — even before confiscating a single gun.
In April, Ottawa announced it will be implementing the first stage of the program, buying banned guns from retailers. Wes Winkel, president of the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association (CSAAA), which is working with the federal government on this part of the buyback, estimates the cost will be in the billions of dollars.
New Zealand’s experience shows gun buybacks don’t reduce gun crime. The federal government shouldn’t be wasting taxpayer dollars on an expensive program that is unlikely to work. Ottawa needs to scrap the gun ban and buyback. There are better ways to fight crime.
https://financialpost.com/opinion/new-zealand-ottawa-gun-buyback
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The only thing that that bill will accomplish is taking away guns from law abiding citizens. So now only the criminals have guns. Jeez wiz bang what a great idea. 
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WHO WILL TAKE GUNS AWAY FROM CRIMINALS?
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A helpful tip to stop gun crime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijEqKGPyEFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijEqKGPyEFM
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Federal government plans to confiscate $4 billion worth of private property via gun ban
Over the past few years, based on claims that “fewer guns mean safer communities,” the Trudeau government has cracked down heavily on Canadian firearms owners. In addition to introducing increasingly restrictive regulations, the government has essentially erased the value of more than $4 billion worth of private property (i.e. firearms) by ordering its confiscation. Property that was legally owned and used now must be forfeited to the government to purportedly “reduce gun violence,” but none of the owners have been accused of a violent act. Nor were any likely to commit a violent crime. Adding insult to injury, the administrative costs of these confiscations could reach into the billions.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/federal-government-plans-to-confiscate-4-billion-worth-of-private-property-via-gun-ban
Over the past few years, based on claims that “fewer guns mean safer communities,” the Trudeau government has cracked down heavily on Canadian firearms owners. In addition to introducing increasingly restrictive regulations, the government has essentially erased the value of more than $4 billion worth of private property (i.e. firearms) by ordering its confiscation. Property that was legally owned and used now must be forfeited to the government to purportedly “reduce gun violence,” but none of the owners have been accused of a violent act. Nor were any likely to commit a violent crime. Adding insult to injury, the administrative costs of these confiscations could reach into the billions.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/federal-government-plans-to-confiscate-4-billion-worth-of-private-property-via-gun-ban
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StatsCan numbers show crime and shootings spike under Trudeau
Shootings have doubled under Trudeau while he attacks duck hunters and leaves criminals alone.
The overall crime severity index was up 4.3% from 2021 to 2022 while the violent crime severity index was up 4.6% compared to the year earlier. It’s violent crime that is up the most during Trudeau’s tenure from a ranking of 75.3 in 2015, the year he was elected, to 97.7 in 2022.
In fact, one of the most shocking statistics is that during Trudeau’s time in office shootings across Canada have doubled.
In 2015 there were 2,358, shootings recorded by Statistics Canada. But in 2022, after seven years of the Trudeau government and countless claims they were dealing with gun crime, Stats Can recorded 4,741 shootings in 2022.
How can it be that shootings doubled during those years given all the times Justin Trudeau and his ministers have stood before the cameras saying they would crack down on gun crime?
Could it be, as I and other wise people have pointed out, that Trudeau’s gun control policies focus more on farmers and duck hunters than the criminals who cause the crime?
To back up that claim, gun crime has never been higher in the last 20 years. During the years when the long gun registry was in place, the number of shootings never went above 2,300, nor did they after the Harper government got rid of it. But since Trudeau has come to office, things have gotten worse.
Overall, the crime severity index has gone up by 18% since Trudeau took office while the violent crime severity index has gone up 27.5% since Trudeau became PM.
Yet, time after time, as criminal shoot up Canada’s streets, Trudeau comes out with new laws like Bill C-21 that seek to ban hunting rifles, that make life more difficult for legal, licenced gun owners. When it comes to criminals, Trudeau and his Liberal government take the opposite approach and try to make life easier for them.
The Trudeau government has adopted a hug-a-thug approach to gun crime, something that is now showing up in the statistics in the worst way.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/statscan-numbers-show-crime-and-shootings-spike-under-trudeau
Shootings have doubled under Trudeau while he attacks duck hunters and leaves criminals alone.
The overall crime severity index was up 4.3% from 2021 to 2022 while the violent crime severity index was up 4.6% compared to the year earlier. It’s violent crime that is up the most during Trudeau’s tenure from a ranking of 75.3 in 2015, the year he was elected, to 97.7 in 2022.
In fact, one of the most shocking statistics is that during Trudeau’s time in office shootings across Canada have doubled.
In 2015 there were 2,358, shootings recorded by Statistics Canada. But in 2022, after seven years of the Trudeau government and countless claims they were dealing with gun crime, Stats Can recorded 4,741 shootings in 2022.
How can it be that shootings doubled during those years given all the times Justin Trudeau and his ministers have stood before the cameras saying they would crack down on gun crime?
Could it be, as I and other wise people have pointed out, that Trudeau’s gun control policies focus more on farmers and duck hunters than the criminals who cause the crime?
To back up that claim, gun crime has never been higher in the last 20 years. During the years when the long gun registry was in place, the number of shootings never went above 2,300, nor did they after the Harper government got rid of it. But since Trudeau has come to office, things have gotten worse.
Overall, the crime severity index has gone up by 18% since Trudeau took office while the violent crime severity index has gone up 27.5% since Trudeau became PM.
Yet, time after time, as criminal shoot up Canada’s streets, Trudeau comes out with new laws like Bill C-21 that seek to ban hunting rifles, that make life more difficult for legal, licenced gun owners. When it comes to criminals, Trudeau and his Liberal government take the opposite approach and try to make life easier for them.
The Trudeau government has adopted a hug-a-thug approach to gun crime, something that is now showing up in the statistics in the worst way.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/statscan-numbers-show-crime-and-shootings-spike-under-trudeau
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Unfortunately Matt we in the USA are under the same attack. Dem's want to defund the police, let criminals out early and want the law abiding citizens to give up their guns. Now that an election cycle coming they make like they never wanted to defund the cops. God help us all. i am afraid a citizen revolt is the only opinion left but our youth has not the backbone for it. All that blood letting in the Worldk War to protect our freedoms may be lost. Good luck up there. 
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Amen!!!agingcrossbower wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:03 pmUnfortunately Matt we in the USA are under the same attack. Dem's want to defund the police, let criminals out early and want the law abiding citizens to give up their guns. Now that an election cycle coming they make like they never wanted to defund the cops. God help us all. i am afraid a citizen revolt is the only opinion left but our youth has not the backbone for it. All that blood letting in the Worldk War to protect our freedoms may be lost. Good luck up there.
We have lost our moral compass. I just hope we can right this ship before it goes the way of the Titanic.
Wasn't it Nazi Germany led by Hitler that said, "Oh, you people don't need your guns. The Government will take care of you!!"
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The Liberal-NDP Agenda on Gun Owners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDW79VicCj8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDW79VicCj8
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NEW StatsCan Report: Trudeau gun bans ineffective on crime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgGTQnXwEiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgGTQnXwEiw
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Is y'all's guy kin to the Biden's???? 
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Gun violence is up 101% under Trudeau
Gang Homicide is up 108% under Trudeau
Gang Homicide is up 108% under Trudeau
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