OT: Canadain Firearm Buy Back Program

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Trudeau targets hunters with gun bill changes that assault Canadian heritage

The Trudeau Liberals aren’t even hiding it anymore, they are coming for hunting rifles and shotguns.

That theory became reality, and fact, on Tuesday when the Liberals unveiled a number of amendments to their gun control legislation known as Bill C-21.

In May 2020, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced an immediate ban on what he called “military-style assault weapons.” The Liberals portrayed this as taking “weapons of war” off the streets.

“You don’t need an AR-15 to take down a deer,” Trudeau famously said.

Maybe you don’t and most hunters I know wouldn’t use an AR-15 for deer hunting, but the Remington 742 and rifles like it have been used for deer hunting for decades. That rifle and those like it will now be banned.

One of the Liberal amendments to their own bill, only moved for vote after all witnesses have been heard from and testimony concluded, will ban hundreds more models of rifles and shotguns.

The changes in the amendment make it very different from the bill that was sold to the public, one that was focused on dangerous weapons used in American mass shootings – now it’s about hunting rifles and shotguns.

The changes will potentially add $1 billion or more to the cost of the buyback that is attached to the legislation. You can’t ban millions of additional firearms, including some of the most widely-held guns in Canada, without driving up the already exorbitant cost.

This move could be flippantly described as political theatre aimed at convincing voters that the government is doing something. The problem is this move is more insidious than that alone.

It is also an all-out attack on Canada’s hunting and shooting history.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-targets-hunters-with-gun-bill-changes-that-assault-canadian-heritage/wcm/c38ab4ab-2e72-4b34-a542-b85d93b88da5/amp/

Matt, that link at the bottom of your post will be an eye opener for many!

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The Legal Take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6X75U2nEvA

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Where a lot of it began... Nearly Word For Word: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWewue4zl6a1IiILTZF__8BLIaEneDTd/view

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Action Item Request: https://hunter.good.do/huntersagainstbillc21/Canadian_Hunters_Against_Bill_C-21/

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If you are interested, now is the time to write your Senator:

Dear Senator ****,

I am writing to you today as a Canadian citizen and a resident of BC to request that you and other members of the senate send Bill C-21 back to parliament for proper debate.

As I am sure you are aware this bill is cobbled together with various Orders In Council and amendments made to the bill after committee debate had closed. The amendments made after committee and the use of the Order In Councils have deprived myself and other Canadians of having our elected representatives being able to fully and completely debate this act in parliament, therefore depriving me and other Canadians of our right to be properly represented by our elected officials.

This bill is particularly onerous for many reasons, my three main concerns are:

It is clearly directed at millions of Canadian firearms owners who have been tested, vetted, licensed and monitored by the RCMP and does nothing to address any of the real issues facing Canadians because of criminal gangs and their willingness to engage in violence using illegally acquired firearms, or the smuggling of those firearms into Canada.

By including all of the previously “banned” firearms into the amendment it has the look of possibly evading the earlier promised “buy back”. This is particularly frightening as the only protection Canadians have from confiscation of privately held property without cause or compensation is legal precedent going back to the Magna Carta. There is no protection of property rights in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This bill involves confiscation without cause, possibly without compensation and at least without adequate compensation. Therefore it is a significant infringement upon the freedoms and property rights of millions of law abiding Canadians firearms owners and possibly a significant erosion of the property rights of all Canadians.

The amendment intentionally targets a great many firearms currently and historically used for hunting & sport shooting in Canada. Despite the government's assurances they would not be targeting hunters, farmers and sport shooters, they most definitely are. I am both a lifelong hunter and sports shooter in my sixties, and have been involved with those activities all of my adult life.

There are other aspects to C-21 which are problematic as well but I do not wish to waste your time with a dozen page dissection of the issues and concerns I have with this bill.

In short Bill C-21 is onerous, expensive, ineffective, unreasonable and worthy of return to parliament if for no other reason than the opportunity for proper debate.

Best regards.

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EXCLUSIVE: Poilievre opposes firearms bill amendments, pledges to repeal C-21

Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre has come out against the Liberals’ proposed amendments to ban almost all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.

Poilievre told True North’s Andrew Lawton during an exclusive interview that he would fight to repeal the bill and that the latest amendment wrongly bans hundreds of thousands of firearms that are used for hunting. 

“I oppose both Bill C-21 and the amendments that they most recently brought in. This amendment effectively bans hundreds of thousands, if not millions of firearms that are in Canada today that are used for hunting. These are hunting rifles and hunting shotguns,” responded Poilievre. 

The Liberals in committee last week had proposed an amendment that effectively would expand their ban in C-21 to virtually every semi-automatic rifle and shotgun, including some small calibre 22s.

The full list of firearms the Liberals are proposing to prohibit includes several single-shot guns as well.

“There’s no evidence that the massive increase in violent crime in our inner cities is the result of people in the country using hunting rifles or shotguns,” Poilievre added. “So obviously, Conservatives oppose that and we’d repeal it.”

Instead of a blanket firearms ban, Poilievre said his government would create a committee composed of law enforcement officials, First Nations, hunters and sport shooters to determine how firearms are classified. 

“My approach is to put that right in law. So it’s very clear and the government and politicians can’t constantly and suddenly change the rules at great cost, both to the lawful property owner but also to the taxpayer,” said Poilievre citing projections which state that a government buyback scheme could cost taxpayers billions. 

https://tnc.news/2022/11/29/poilievre-firearm-amendments1/

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Liberals say they're not trying to ban hunting rifles. Here's why that's a lie

Last week, the Liberals quietly introduced an amendment to a piece of gun control legislation that would ban thousands of Canadian hunting arms, constituting the largest single gun ban in Canadian history. After the amendment became public, Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino announced he had “no intention whatsoever” of banning hunting rifles or long guns.

The problem is, Mendicino’s claims aren’t true at all. Even a cursory look at the list quickly reveals that it’s chock full of purpose-built hunting arms, many of which have likely never been near a battlefield or crime scene in the last 100 years. While prior Trudeau government gun bans at least attempted to only select firearms that had “assault-style” aesthetics, this new list proposes to criminalize hundreds of rifles and shotguns that are low-powered, slow to fire and only ever designed to shoot birds, deer or skeet.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/liberals-ban-hunting-rifles-lie

[janesy]

not sure if this has been posted yet, but this is a quick and easy way to get in touch with your MP for those of us in Ontario.

https://www.ofah.org/firearms/c21-action/

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Should be a law with penalties for knowingly lying to parliament!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av-8LX-RiB4

[Carnivorous]

Hi Matt

Thankyou for keeping us up to date on this important issue.

Hopefully someday common sense gun control will prevail in Canada instead of this Liberal smoke and mirrors nonsense!!!

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Hi Matt

Thankyou for keeping us up to date on this important issue.

Hopefully someday common sense gun control will prevail in Canada instead of this Liberal smoke and mirrors nonsense!!!

More than welcome. This one hits close to the heart, and so I am on it almost every day...

I have some reason for cautious optimism.
Here is the reply I received from our local NDP MP after I braced him on the matter:

Dear Matt,

Thank you for reaching out about the new amendment proposed by the Liberals for C-21. I understand and agree with your concerns. The goal of this legislation, we believed, was to get dangerous handguns off our streets, not criminalize hunters.

Since the Liberals introduced this last-minute change to their firearms bill - introduced without our knowledge or consent - many hunters have raised concerns regarding the potential impact of these changes. We are taking these concerns very seriously and are pressing the government for clarity on how this will impact hunters.

The NDP does support the goal of getting military-style assault weapons off the street and with a freeze on handguns. We do not believe the government should target hunters or farmers, and all Indigenous and Treaty rights must be respected.

We are pressing the Liberals to ensure that hunters, farmers and Indigenous people are not targeted by these changes.

We will not support amendments to the Bill that ban guns primarily used for hunting or protecting farm animals from predators, nor will we support amendments to the Bill that do not respect treaty rights and the rights of Indigenous people.

There is still time to do this right and you can rest assured that your concerns will inform our actions on this important legislation.

Kindly,

Gord Johns, M.P.
Courtenay-Alberni

While I strongly disagree on the stance for handguns and the banned rifles, at least it appears they will vote against this latest amendment BS.

Here's Hoping!

Cheers

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New Sask. Firearms Act takes aim at feds buy back plan

Saskatchewan continues to call its own shots in response to federal gun initiatives, with the introduction of new legislation asserting the province’s role in the federal government’s buy back plan.

On Thursday, the provincial government introduced the Saskatchewan Firearms Act, which Public Safety Minister Christine Tell said “will help address concerns of responsible firearms owners and enhance public safety.”

The new legislation comes after amendments to Bill C-21, the federal government moved to ban hundreds of new models of legally owned firearms and shotguns.

Speaking to media following the announcement Thursday, Tell said the act intends to promote safe gun storage and regulate seizures of firearms in Saskatchewan.

“We want people in this province to be as safe and secure as they can,” she said.

Under the new legislation, agents collecting surrendered firearms, including those entities contracted by the federal government, will be required to be licensed by Saskatchewan’s chief firearms officer.

https://leaderpost.com/news/saskatchewan/new-sask-firearms-act-aims-to-balance-gun-rights-with-public-safety/wcm/e658e5a3-acd7-473f-8665-c7c7a6073d2b/amp/

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New Sask. Firearms Act takes aim at feds buy back plan

Saskatchewan continues to call its own shots in response to federal gun initiatives, with the introduction of new legislation asserting the province’s role in the federal government’s buy back plan.

On Thursday, the provincial government introduced the Saskatchewan Firearms Act, which Public Safety Minister Christine Tell said “will help address concerns of responsible firearms owners and enhance public safety.”

The new legislation comes after amendments to Bill C-21, the federal government moved to ban hundreds of new models of legally owned firearms and shotguns.

Speaking to media following the announcement Thursday, Tell said the act intends to promote safe gun storage and regulate seizures of firearms in Saskatchewan.

“We want people in this province to be as safe and secure as they can,” she said.

Under the new legislation, agents collecting surrendered firearms, including those entities contracted by the federal government, will be required to be licensed by Saskatchewan’s chief firearms officer.

https://leaderpost.com/news/saskatchewan/new-sask-firearms-act-aims-to-balance-gun-rights-with-public-safety/wcm/e658e5a3-acd7-473f-8665-c7c7a6073d2b/amp/

That is an interesting approach. I believe that approach is only as good as the government in power at the time. However, more action that we've seen from Ontario.

[one shot scott]

full list via CCFR:

https://firearmrights.ca/full-list-of-firearms-banned-through-c-21-revealed/

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Saskatchewan's Full New Firearms Act:

https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/An-Act-respecting-Saskatchewan-Firearms.pdf