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Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:01 pm


Be nice if they all agreed to deal with the actual issues, rather than legal, vetted firearm owners!!! Seems the LEO's have that in mind here...
It would be much, much easier to prevent the increase than to try to reduce it when it gets out of control.
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Really sober political analysis of firearms in Canada. 50 minutes long. If all of Canada heard it there would be a lot less support for JT et al.

Scroll down to episode 177

https://thecurioustask.podbean.com

Ep. 177: Noah Schwartz - Does Canada Have A Gun Problem?

Wednesday Mar 22, 2023

Alex speaks with Noah Schwartz about gun control in Canada and how recent attempts to review firearms policy have failed to address root issues and the causes of violence and crime.
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The door continues to revolve...

Bail granted to man facing gun charges, described as 'high-level' risk to public safety


A Kamloops man facing serious firearms-related charges was released Tuesday on bail despite a prosecutor labelling him “a risk to public safety at the highest level.”

Zachariah William Lewis is facing four firearms charges stemming from an incident earlier this month in which police are alleged to have found a modified .22-calibre handgun on him during an arrest.

The 29-year-old is also charged with possession of stolen property and driving while prohibited relating to a January incident, and he has serious firearms charges pending from an arrest on New Year’s Eve during which police are alleged to have found a sawed-off shotgun in his possession.

Hansen asked Kamloops provincial court Judge Stella Frame to keep Lewis locked up pending trial. He argued releasing him would bring the administration of justice into disrepute.

“The firearms-related offences in particular represent a risk to public safety at the highest level,” he said.

“And it’s clear that even the presence of pending charges and arrests by police have not prevented further firearms-related offence allegations.”

https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/Kamloops/423264/Bail-granted-to-man-facing-gun-charges-described-as-high-level-risk-to-public-safety#423264
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The decision regarding the judicial review of the May 1, 2020 OIC (Order in Council) Prohibiting 1500 plus named firearms is still pending.

Is this an attempt to influence the outcome of the decision?

This move is entirely inappropriate for the Liberals to make prior to Justice Kane's court decision...

Mendicino announces first step of firearm buyback program, targeting industry

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino says Ottawa has taken its first step toward launching its firearms buyback program, beginning with industry.

Mendicino said at a news conference this morning that the government has signed a contract with the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association to work with businesses and retailers that currently hold inventory prohibited under a May 2020 order-in-council.

The association Mendicino named in his announcement tweeted during the minister's remarks that it remains "skeptical" of this industry buyback program, citing concerns about a lack of implementation process.

The second phase of the buyback program is expected to aim to target individual firearms owners, who currently have amnesty under an order that is set to expire in October.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/423383/Mendicino-announces-first-step-of-firearm-buyback-program-targeting-industry
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Trudeau’s Liberals abandon plan to expand banned guns list — but new amendments are coming

They plan to try to legislate a definition of what would constitute an illegal weapon in a move that is sure to reignite controversy.

OTTAWA—The Liberals are dropping a plan to add hundreds of firearms to a list of banned weapons in Canada as part of their broader promise to tighten gun laws in Canada.

But they will try again to legislate a definition of what would constitute an illegal weapon in a move that is sure to reignite controversy around one of the most politically sensitive files on the government’s agenda.

https://www.therecord.com/ts/politics/federal/2023/04/25/trudeaus-liberals-abandon-plan-to-expand-banned-guns-list-but-new-amendments-are-coming.html
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Justin Trudeau’s Great Canadian Gun Confiscation

There’s no market, only one buyer, and participation is mandatory

When governments take private property, such takings are usually done to carry out some larger public project — like building roads and other infrastructure. Unlike property seizures of the past, the Trudeau Liberals’ gun confiscation (“buyback”) isn’t supporting some larger project for the benefit of the public. It’s a confiscation of private property for the sake of fulfilling a platform point.

​​They can argue that gun confiscation addresses a public safety issue, but the evidence doesn’t support this. As gun expert Tim Thurley wrote in the National Post last month, the gun control measures that do make a difference for public safety have been in place in Canada for the past 30 years — including licensing, safe storage requirements and background checks. Meanwhile, a substantial body of research shows that bans for specific types of guns don’t work.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/shameless-liberal-gun-grab-wont-make-us-safer
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Mendicino’s Dumpster Fire, Part #62 (SECU)

On Tuesday afternoon, Minister Marco Mendicino appeared before the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU).

Rumours said Mendicino would introduce new amendments to Bill C-21, or at least introduce an “evergreen” definition of “assault-style firearms”. He did neither.

Conservative MPs Raquel Dancho (Kildonan—St. Paul, MB), Dane Lloyd (Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB) and Glen Motz (Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB) came prepared for this meeting, unlike the Minister or his staff.

Raquel Dancho


“How common is it now to sentence someone to 10 years, the current maximum?” Ms. Dancho asked.

“I’ve worked on the front lines of the criminal justice system as a federal prosecutor,” Mendicino pontificated, “I will tell you that I have confidence in the judiciary to exercise good judgment when it comes to making sure that we separate those gun traffickers from our communities when we need to do so.”

Apparently the judiciary doesn’t believe that we have a need to “separate those gun traffickers from our communities.”

“Since the liberals formed government in 2015,” Ms. Dancho said, “not one person has been awarded the current 10-year maximum sentence.”

Minister Mendicino’s office was the source of her information.

Dane Lloyd

“In the case of the Portapique killer,” asked Dane Lloyd, “how would a gun ban have prevented somebody who smuggled firearms and didn’t have a license from possessing these firearms?”

Mendicino sputtered a non-answer.

“Minister, I had a direct question for you,” Lloyd said, cutting him off. “How would a gun ban have prevented the Portapique killer from accessing illegally smuggled firearms without a license?”

“The short answer,” Mendicino said, “is that by putting in place a ban, we reduce the possibility and the likelihood of there being any of these types of firearms in our communities.”

FACT: Three of the killer’s four illegal guns were smuggled into Canada by the killer.

But Mr. Lloyd wasn’t finished.

“Given that the killer was in possession of illegal firearms without a license, how could a ban, if they're not being enforced, if the police – who knew that the Portapique killer had access to illegal firearms and weren't acting – how would a ban do anything to prevent criminals from accessing firearms?”

Mendicino sputtered more Trudeau-esque nonsense before fleeing the Committee. Assistant Deputy Minister Talal Dakalbab picked up where his Minister left off.

“Can manufacturers legally import and distribute firearms in Canada without the approval of the RCMP and classification?” Dane Lloyd asked.

“If the gun that is manufactured in Canada,” replied Dakalbab, “they don't require to verify with the RCMP to verify the classification.”

Dane Lloyd asked the question about importing firearms again, and received another answer about guns manufactured in Canada from Assistant Deputy Minister Dakalbab.

RCMP “has no evidence” and “does not track that information”

Dane Lloyd then spoke to the 10,000 joule muzzle energy prohibition that bans very expensive antique firearms used for hunting big game.

“Do you have any evidence,” Mr. Lloyd asked, “that these particular [antique] firearms that have been used for hunting purposes have been used to commit crimes in Canada that would justify their inclusion on this list?”

“We don't have any evidence. We do not have that information,” said RCMP Deputy Commissioner Bryan Larkin.

“Commissioner Larkin, in 2021, that [StatsCan] study determined that a long gun, a rifle, or a shotgun, was involved or was present at 0.47% of all violent crimes,” Dane Lloyd stated.

“Out of that percentage, 0.47%, how many of those would be classified as an assault-style firearm?”

“We do not track that information, so we'd have to actually go back and do some homework and, uh, we could attempt to respond to that, but we don't have that information available,” said Deputy Commissioner Larkin.

Glen Motz


“Did anyone on this committee provide the minister or the Ministry of Public Safety,” asked Glen Motz, “with any documentation or evidence that C-21’s proposed [changes] were actually going to make a difference, a positive difference on public safety in this country? Was there any evidence to support it?”

“It is important to bear in mind from my perspective as a policy wonk, if you wish,” Dakalbab said, “is that the bill is really a step among any many other pillars that are important. And I do believe that Bill C-21 is one of the steps, but not the full spectrum.”

“Well, I would disagree with that assessment and I can,” said Glen Motz. “I don't see, and I've never seen, anyone produce any credible evidence that suggests that going after law abiding Canadian firearm owners will have any positive impact on public safety.

“We are all, everyone in this committee, all of the country, including the millions of firearm owners, are concerned and support the idea of improving public safety. This bill does not do that. And we've had witnesses at this committee who we thought would be very strong on aspects of the bill. They have said quite the opposite.”

The Liberal dumpster-fire that is Bill C-21 continues to burn and nobody, not even Marco Mendicino, seems interested in putting out that fire.
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Jagmeet Singh’s NDP slammed by top gun control group over backtracking on firearms promises, amplifying ‘disinformation’

OTTAWA — The federal NDP has rejected a top gun control advocacy group’s scathing assessment that the New Democrats fed into “disinformation” clouding the Liberal government’s firearms bill and have all but abandoned their support of an assault-style weapons ban.

Representatives from two groups calling for stricter gun control measures released a searing letter Monday morning accusing NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh and his party of backtracking on its election promises and politicizing the issue for its own gain.

The missive was penned by PolySeSouvient’s Nathalie Provost, who survived the 1989 shooting at Montreal’s École Polytechnique, and Ken Price of Danforth Families for Safe Communities, which was created after 2018’s mass shooting on the Danforth.

“Such disingenuous, vague and noncommittal positioning has tainted the NDP’s stance on gun control since Jack Layton became leader in 2003,” the missive reads.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2023/04/24/jagmeet-singhs-ndp-slammed-by-top-gun-control-group-over-backtracking-on-firearms-promises-amplifying-disinformation.html
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15:30 ET / 12:30 PT: Federal Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino makes a gun-control announcement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN7UmnR7Zvc
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1. Codifying a standardized (liberal party) definition of "assault style firearms" to be written into all legislation including the Criminal Code AND C21.

2. Regulation changes to make manufacturers responsible for classifying firearms.

3. Making "ghost-guns" and "homemade guns" illegal - which they already are.

4. Reinstating a Canadian Firearms advisory committee "non-partisan" to be staffed by Liberals, anti-firearms groups, and others handpicked by the Liberal Party. This group will decide the classification of firearms, can change the classification of any firearm without legislation, and can ban any firearm by adding it to C21 and by OIC without any parliamentary process or debate. This group will be doing this by the summer.
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