16.5" Bolt Shooters - how are you getting the weight up?

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16.5" Bolt Shooters - how are you getting the weight up?

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I've shot an Exocet and Vixen for years and my 20" Black Eagle Executioners w110gn brass inserts and 125 gr Slick Tricks weight in the 460 gn range. Which I've been very happy with.

I'm thinking of getting a Micro Extreme or Micro 380 which will be a bunch easier to carry in the brushy country i hunt which both shoot 16.5" bolts.

My question is.... How are you 16.5 guill shooters getting the weight up on your 16.5" quills other jacking up the weight on your broadhead. I really don't want to change broadheads. I've had to much success on to many animals to go lighter or change broadheads.

And I've never been to succeful removing aluminum inserts to replace with brass without damaging the bolt. So I've been buying BE Executioners with the 110gn insert.
Thx in advance.
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The BE Executioners with 110gr of brass work great in the 16.5's. I shoot them all the time. Quarter sized or smaller groups at 40 yards.
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With the 125gr it will get you around 425gr. total weight.
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Re: 16.5" Bolt Shooters - how are you getting the weight up?

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Your biggest hurdle is that the rear nock that is glued in. If you were to buy BEAs with plastic rear nocks, you would have brass up front and you can add 30, 50 or 75 gr weights to the backside of the front inserts. Adding weighted collars under the broadhead is doable but anything past 15 gr will not allow much broadhead thread engagement.
Sell the OE arrows and buy arrows with brass inserts. The ones that BEA makes is 92 grains for a total of 275 grains but BEA additional weights can be installed without spending much money.
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Boo wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:25 am
Adding weighted collars under the broadhead is doable but anything past 15 gr will not allow much broadhead thread engagement.
Sell the OE arrows and buy arrows with brass inserts. The ones that BEA makes is 92 grains for a total of 275 grains but BEA additional weights can be installed without spending much money.
I'll agree with Boo on this one! The rear nock is GLUED on the Quills sent out by Excalibur. They are a MAJOR PAIN to remove without damaging the arrow shaft. 99% of the time, it's NOT worth it!
Adding weight to the backside of the broadhead can and will cause some major issues in my humble opinion, if not done judicially. It starts with the threads of the head being too short and not allowing for enough thread engagement to attach the arrowhead to the shaft securely. Placing a collar between the arrow shaft and the ferrule of the broadhead just increases the chance of failure on impact. There is a lot of torque on impact, I have actually had heads broken off on impact using aluminum inserts. Not a cool thing to happen when hunting. :thumbdown:
I now shoot nothing but brass or stainless steel.

If you are in Canada, I suggest you PM Normous (Norman) on this site and he can build you some truly wonderful arrows. I have some of Norman's custom-built arrows. They are the best! :thumbup:
If you are in the States, call Dave at "Wyvern Creations". He too can build you anything you want. Tell Dave what you need, and he will recommend arrows for you! :thumbup:
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Re: 16.5" Bolt Shooters - how are you getting the weight up?

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I am a big fan of the slick tricks also and understand not wanting to change heads but you could bump up to the 150 grain Slick Trick Xbow head it is a wonderful performing head for me.
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I'm no expert, but I agree with the opinion that Black Eagle Executioners and Zombies are easier to customize than the factory arrows that come with Excals. When you buy more arrows, consider making them Black Eagles. That said, why not move up to 150 gr. slicktricks with your factory arrows, sight them in, and go hunting. They might end up a little lighter than you want, but I'll bet they shoot just fine and will blow right through a deer. I'm not convinced that a little more or less weight adds up to more kills. As long as you have enough weight to shoot safely, and you're sighted in properly, you're ready to go.

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Re: 16.5" Bolt Shooters - how are you getting the weight up?

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Like others have said, Quills are a horrible platform to start with if you want a heavy arrow setup.

Super easy to get really heavy 16.5" arrows though once you look outside of using Quills.

Here's about the easiest way to get a heavy, high FOC 16.5": https://wyverncreations.com/excalibur-accessories/custom-500-grain-excalibur-arrows/
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Go custom because a good custom arrowsmith can install a heavier insert between 80+ gr and up to 400 grains if you wish.
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My 16.5" BEEs tip scales around 442gr with 150gr broadheads. Spynal Tapps (as part of a xbow package buy last year) wear the same 150gr heads and come in around 462gr. Nothing heavier needed for whitetails up to 30 yards.
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I shoot 16” zombie slayers with 110gr brass inserts, lumenoks, blazers and 200gr VPA 3 blade broadheads. Really close to 500 gr total weight, fly like darts and plow through anything.

Oh yeah. I shoot them from my vintage gen 1 micro 335.
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Re: 16.5" Bolt Shooters - how are you getting the weight up?

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Executioner's, 110 brass inserts, 1 1/4" screw glued into the back of the insert. With 170 grain broadhead I'm at 545 grains.
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