THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME-US

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THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME-US

Post by amythntr » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:38 am

THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME

I have remained quiet while the mockery of our government gets played out in the political arena. To make it clear I am referring to BOTH sides of the aisle.

In the mean time I have been reading a book entitled, "The Passionate Sage" written by Joseph J Ellis.

It's a book about John Adams, our second president in the later part of his life. The book goes into detail discussing the interactions between Adams and Thomas Jefferson, our third president. Both were involved in the American Revolutionary War and as many know, were signers of the Declaration of Independence.

Initially both men were good friends and then became bitter enemies. Their friendship was rekindled in the last 20 years or so of their lives. History lives on by the many letters that were written between the two.

The amazing thing was that both men during the last few years of their lives were the two last surviving men of the War and Signing of the DOI. What was even more amazing was that both men died on July 4, 1826, 50 years to the day of the of its signing . This brought the end to the living founders of our country.

What I am learning from the book is how their political beliefs were diametrically opposite of each other, similar to what we currently have in our country.

Adam's beliefs mirrored today's Republicans while Jefferson's beliefs were more aligned with today's Democrats.

Without adding any personal commentary other than the title of this post, I will share some of their beliefs.

Adams:

1. Believed that the few aristocratic families rendered the likeliness that all people are equal deserving equal opportunities and rights, virtually impossible.

2. This was true, he believed whether they were talking about the feudal Barron's of medieval France, the merchant class of colonial New England or the great planter class of Colonial America.

3. He believed that after the American Revolution that we needed to develop a navy or as he referred to it as "a wall of wood" to protect us from another attack from Britain ( War of 1812.)

4. He was a proponent for the emancipation of slavery (Civil War).

5. In summary he believed that political powers rested in a few wealthy individual individuals and families.Even though the power and influence of a wealthy family might wane, it would soon be replaced by an equally or more powerful wealthy family.

Jefferson:

1. Believed that the sources of inequality were artificially created; that social injustice could be corrected.

2. Believed that the aristocratic power was appropriate for Europe and the past but NOT for current colonial America
and it's future. Opportunities to advance was available as well as the abundance of land.

3. Believed that American society should not be divided into classes.

4. Believed that American history should be separated into generations.

5. Following the belief in 4. he believed there were distinct generational units which came into the world and went out.

6. Following in his belief in 5. it lead to the awkward conclusion that one generation could not make laws for the next generation.

7. He disagreed with Adams about the creation of the "wall of wood" later confessing after the War of 1812 that Adams was
correct.

8. On the issue of slavery Jefferson's position served the conservative position of justifying, indeed requiring, silence and passivity. He noted that this would be a problem facing the new Nation; albeit for the next generation.

Hence, my reading of this book, it is interesting that the problems within our government can be traced back to the times of our founding fathers, which lead to my conclusion, as referenced in the title of this post, that "The more things change the more they stay the same."

It is up to you to form your own conclusion as to whether things will always remain as they are and was back then, or whether they can change today and in the future.

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Post by Bcxbow » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:02 am

Very well said Anthony.
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Post by hankenhunter » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:03 pm

I'll probably be pilloried but I feel that like an alcoholic, the US will not get better till it hits rock bottom. Just like the time period you are referring to, Anthony.
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Post by jd4223 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:38 pm

My prediction regarding the future of our country is one of negative beliefs. When President Trumps tenure ends(whether he gets re-elected or not),it will be full speed ahead by the Democrats along with the RINO's in Congress/Senate to turn our country into a socialist country. Open borders,global socialism,United Nations dictating how our country will be run. Corruption by our government out in the open with no way of stopping them. The only hope for our country is if the players involved in the attempted stealing of the presidency from Donald Trump and then the attempted Impeachment of a legally elected president by the same players,are brought to justice,meaning "Go directly to jail,do not pass go do not collect $200". This would include x-president Obama(TRAITOR44) being charged. Since we/I know this won't happen,I see no future for our country. I feel lucky that I'm in my later years(66) and hopefully won't be alive to see the down fall of the greatest country in the history of the world. I truly feel the LORD has given America 1 more chance when Donald Trump,against all odds and criminal attempts to steal the election in favor of another criminal,Hillary Clinton,won the presidency. In spite of this gift given to us,the people(Not All) have turned their backs on President Trump and as a result,after his tenure,turn out the lights cause the end of America is here!

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Post by paulaboutform » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:33 pm

jd4223 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:38 pm
My prediction regarding the future of our country is one of negative beliefs. When President Trumps tenure ends(whether he gets re-elected or not),it will be full speed ahead by the Democrats along with the RINO's in Congress/Senate to turn our country into a socialist country. Open borders,global socialism,United Nations dictating how our country will be run. Corruption by our government out in the open with no way of stopping them. The only hope for our country is if the players involved in the attempted stealing of the presidency from Donald Trump and then the attempted Impeachment of a legally elected president by the same players,are brought to justice,meaning "Go directly to jail,do not pass go do not collect $200". This would include x-president Obama(TRAITOR44) being charged. Since we/I know this won't happen,I see no future for our country. I feel lucky that I'm in my later years(66) and hopefully won't be alive to see the down fall of the greatest country in the history of the world. I truly feel the LORD has given America 1 more chance when Donald Trump,against all odds and criminal attempts to steal the election in favor of another criminal,Hillary Clinton,won the presidency. In spite of this gift given to us,the people(Not All) have turned their backs on President Trump and as a result,after his tenure,turn out the lights cause the end of America is here!
I absolutely agree 100% (and have spoken your exact words to the letter.) Well said indeed.

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Post by rmb721 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:36 pm

I totally agree. Trump is only President that at least tried to do what he said he would do.

I really feel sorry for my grandchildren.

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Post by Patcon » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:25 pm

I agree that our country has a dismal future if we end up with a two tier justice system. Unfortunately, I will be really surprised if anyone is ever really brought to account for the abuses of power that have gone on. I don't have such high expectations as 44 ending up incarcerated but if he was just put out to pasture somewhere that would be almost as good. Unfortunately, Mrs. Clinton is highly unlikely to have any real issues from her having flaunted the law. That is too bad, not because of dislike for her but because it means justice is no longer blind and all men or women are not equal under the law.
I know a lot of people don't like Trump. Which is sort of funny because so few people have actually met him. So all you know about him is what's presented in the media or the 8 second sound bite here of there. But as far as Presidents go, he has tried to do everything that he campaigned on. Which is refreshing for a change...
I also tend to have a biblical view of the future and I don't expect it to improve until the Lord returns. Right is wrong and wrong is right...
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Post by Forkston » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:12 am

Thanks for ruining my sunday morning with this political crap, take it elsewhere

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Post by janesy » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:13 pm

Forkston wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:12 am
Thanks for ruining my sunday morning with this political crap, take it elsewhere
This is what the "off topic" forum is for :wtf:

It was also post 3 weeks ago :eusa-whistle:
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Post by Forkston » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:38 pm

My apologies I'll ask god to pray and forgive me

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Post by amythntr » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:06 am

janesy wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:13 pm
Forkston wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:12 am
Thanks for ruining my sunday morning with this political crap, take it elsewhere
This is what the "off topic" forum is for :wtf:

It was also post 3 weeks ago :eusa-whistle:
....this was not meant to be a political statement but more of a historical statement of the founding fathers of our country (USA). It was posted in other topics just for that reason....and the title suggested that from the founding to now nothing really has changed in what is going on in the USA...you had your choice to read it or not.

....sorry that this ruined your Sunday...I hope that your Sunday's since the Sunday was ruined by the reading of this post have been better and I hope all of your future Sundays are made up nothing but clear sailing and visibility unlimited!

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Post by amythntr » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:08 am

Forkston wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:38 pm
My apologies I'll ask god to pray and forgive me

....my son, you are forgiven! :angel: :eusa-pray: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Bcxbow » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:10 am

:lol: :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Post by Forkston » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:16 pm

Anthony how many hail mary :eusa-whistle:

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Post by amythntr » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:52 pm

Forkston wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:16 pm
Anthony how many hail mary :eusa-whistle:
....2 Hail Mary, 1 Our father and one long rendition of Zipidy doo da, Zipidy aye! :lol:

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