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Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Tue May 05, 2020 6:31 pm

It turns out that pretty well all 12 gauge shotguns with screw in chokes, most 10 gauges, several bolt action rifles, a target 22 and an Airsoft rifle were magically turned into "Prohibited Assault Weapons" by our current government. This conducted via an Order In Council so as to avoid any and all discussion in Parliament.

Don't know about you, but I am a tad beyond ticked off.

On several other Forums I am a Member of, we are creating a list of Action Items in response.
It would be a bit of a chore to collect them and post here.
So before doing so I would like to see a show of hands as it were.
Are any here interested in fighting this BS, and want to see the suggested Action Items posted?
I am willing...

If no response, I will take that as a no.

Your Call...

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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by janesy » Tue May 05, 2020 7:29 pm

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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 1:37 pm

Time to start rolling hard on this Folks!

Step One:

I fired off the following letter this morning, and am now posting it on several forums so that others can copy it and send to our Governor General over their own name:

May 4, 2020

An Open Letter to Her Excellency Julie Payette the Governor General of Canada

First I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate you for your performance in your role as the Governor General of Canada. Your professionalism is both steadfast and admirable.

To the point of this letter:

On May 1, 2020, Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party of Canada, collectively constituting a minority government in Canada, intentionally set out to subvert and thwart parliamentary procedure in Canada. In their haste to make political points on the recent tragedy in Nova Scotia, they decided to forgo debate in the House over one of the more significant pieces of Legislation they have introduced in their new term. This action was and is an obvious misuse of the Order In Council process on the part of a government uncertain if their proposed Legislation would survive open parliamentary debate.

Fortunately in Canada there exists a “Safety Net” designed explicitly to prevent such forms of abuse, and that safety net resides within you and your office. As relating to this matter, the Criminal Code of Canada specifically states:

Criminal Code
Version of section 117.15 from 2015-06-18 to 2020-04-21:
Regulations

117.15 (1) Subject to subsection (2), the Governor in Council may make regulations prescribing anything that by this Part is to be or may be prescribed.
Marginal note:Restriction

(2) In making regulations, the Governor in Council may not prescribe any thing to be a prohibited firearm, a restricted firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or prohibited ammunition if, in the opinion of the Governor in Council, the thing to be prescribed is reasonable for use in Canada for hunting or sporting purposes.

Justice Minister David Lametti himself provided evidence of support for these firearms’ application for hunting purposes when he stated: “There will be an exception for Indigenous people’s exercising a section 35 hunting right, as well as those who use the weapon for hunting to feed themselves or their family,”.

Many of the listed firearms have been used both historically and at present for hunting. Classic examples include the Ruger Ranch Rifle (a common item on many farms and ranches for both hunting and predator control) and the majority of bolt action rifles the proposed list encompasses.

The balance of the firearms on the list are currently employed for shooting sports – target shooting and competitive shooting sports. All of those which were previously classed as “Restricted” were only made available for individual ownership for the specifically noted qualification of sporting purpose use.

There is clear and compelling evidence that many firearms on this poorly designed list meet the criteria of “Reasonable use in Canada for hunting or sporting purposes”.

While exemptions to the citation above exist, they are based upon insubstantial change or urgency:

Exception — minor changes

(2) A regulation made under section 117 may be made without being laid before either House of Parliament if the federal Minister is of the opinion that the changes made by the regulation to an existing regulation are so immaterial or insubstantial that section 118 should not be applicable in the circumstances.

Marginal note:Exception — urgency

(3) A regulation made under paragraph 117(i), (l), (m), (n), (o), (q), (s) or (t) may be made without being laid before either House of Parliament if the federal Minister is of the opinion that the making of the regulation is so urgent that section 118 should not be applicable in the circumstances

No-one in Canada is suggesting that the proposed Legislation is “so immaterial or insubstantial” that the OIC was necessary or should be passed forthwith.

The very design of the Legislation itself precludes any overwhelming “urgency” in that owners are automatically granted a two year amnesty, and that provisions for “grandfathering” (which will allow owners to retain these items for life) are incorporated. The only urgency relating to this matter is centered on the behavior of Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party in their headlong rush to capitalize on the tragic happenings in Nova Scotia recently. There exists NO “clear and present danger” from the most vetted citizens this country has at this point.

Those exemptions are the only two allowed by the Canadian Criminal Code. The Legislation as presented, clearly does not qualify with either definition.

I thereby call on you, as Governor General of Canada to deny the Order In Council as presented as prescribed in the Canadian Criminal Code Section 117.15 (2). I strongly urge you to preserve the integrity and sanctity of your Office that passing this wrongfully decreed OIC would corrupt.

I would appreciate the courtesy of a written response at your convenience.

A Very Concerned Citizen,


~ Original Posted ~

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Email: [email protected]

Address:

Her Excellency Julie Payette the Governor General of Canada
Rideau Hall
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 1:39 pm

Step Two:

By exempting "aboriginal people" in Canada, Trudeau committed a violation of the The Canadian Human Rights Act.
Any who are not of that description are being openly discriminated against based on race by your own government.

Here’s the step by step process to file an action with the Canadian Human Rights Commission:

https://norskk.com/life/2020/5/1/sue-trudeau-keep-your-guns

Put your own words in or alter theirs to suit your situation.

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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 1:40 pm

Step Three:

For those who are on Facebook - Join the newly created CCFR Action Group and Get Involved!!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/272358044163903/
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 1:42 pm

Step Four:

For those of us in BC: Regardless of your thoughts / position regarding the BCWF, they have provided a platform to voice your opposition to the draconian moves by Trudeau et al. Take advantage of that!

https://bcwf.bc.ca/initiatives/your-firearms-rights/

For those in other jurisdictions, openly encourage your Gun & Hunting Clubs to initiate their own such programs.
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 1:44 pm

Step Five:

Every revocation of registration must be accompanied by instructions on how to appeal. It's called a Section 74 appeal.
Every individual filing and proceeding will tie them up for years.
File individually for each affected firearm you own & make it as painful as possible for them on their end.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-9.html

https://nfa.ca/2020/01/13/upcoming-gun-bans-and-confiscations-what-to-know-and-what-to-do/
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 1:45 pm

Step Six:

Sign MP Michelle Rempel's official Petition calling for the the Prime Minister to immediately scrap his government’s May 1, 2020, Order in Council decision related to confiscating legally owned firearms and instead pass legislation that will target criminals, stop the smuggling of firearms into Canada, go after those who illegally acquire firearms, and apologize to legal firearms owners in Canada.

Share it to any social media you have.

Don't forget to reply to the confirmation email or its not counted, that might possibly wind up in your junk mail.

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2574&fbclid=IwAR1sIK2KgEHkberZtc-uX1pWQxhZC6qcJiEUWALGsikMmiNdHhyrWNWVOUw
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Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 1:46 pm

Step Seven:

Sign the official Petition initiated by Steve Hamilton calling upon the Government of Canada to immediately repeal the Order in Council issued May 1, 2020.

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2576&fbclid=IwAR1Z6jLX4LY2kgoAEFbPEGPkcf-po-hrXPJTa2b4KkRGAEc4kvIb591ww1g
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 1:48 pm

There will be much more coming down the pipe.
This is barely our first salvo in response.
I'd really appreciate it if those from here who are apposed to these actions take a few moments and address the action items as listed.
We must stick together in this cause.

I will be back and refreshing this thread as more items are generated.

Be Safe & Be Strong Brothers!

Cheers,
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 4:08 pm

Step Eight: Reaffirming Step Number Three:

If you are not currently a Member of the CCFR, do so now.

They have mounted the First Legal Challenge to the OIC thus far:

https://firearmrights.ca/en/we-are-going-to-court/

Time to pony up our support.
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Fri May 08, 2020 3:05 pm

Step Nine:

Use SCI's form to send Trudeau & Blair a message:

https://p2a.co/SfPolQH?resetcookie=1
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Fri May 08, 2020 4:57 pm

The NFA launches a second, somewhat parallel lawsuit against the Feds:

https://nfa.ca/2020/05/07/nfa-announces-support-court-challenge-to-liberal-gun-grab/
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Fri May 08, 2020 5:23 pm

Email from the CSSA as follows:

RCMP prohibits first 12-Gauge Shotgun with 20mm Bore Law - CBSA Memorandum backs Firearms Lawyers on Shotgun Ban

May 8, 2020

OSHAWA: On May 5, 2020, CSSA and CSAAA issued a joint news release showing Justin Trudeau and Bill Blair – either through gross ignorance or gross incompetence – banned 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns under the 20mm maximum bore diameter restriction in *SOR/2020-96."

Minister Blair’s denied this via social media, saying,

“Both 10 and 12 gauge shotguns are under the 20mm provision, and thus not subject to the prohibition. Our government is taking action to protect Canadians by banning assault-style weapons – not those used for hunting.

“The truth matters,” Minister Blair said.

We agree 100%. The truth matters.

This morning, the RCMP confirmed the first 12-gauge shotgun prohibited under the new Order-in-Council.

The deadly evil weapon? An old Iver Johnson single-shot, fixed choke 12-gauge shotgun with a 2 3/4" chamber.
That's right, a standard old farm gun.

RCMP Technical Unit Supervisor, Tim Hobbs, confirmed this firearm would be classified as prohibited in a phone call with a prominent firearms dealer.

See this firearm being measured - see for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGpz-2aBYk&feature=emb_logo

That’s why we asked for the legal opinion of one of Canada’s top firearm lawyers, Edward L Burlew LL.B.
Solomon Friedman LL.B., another respected lawyer well-versed in firearms law, agrees with Mr. Burlew’s opinion.

“Your standard 12-gauge shotgun, most people think it has a bore of 18.5 millimeters,” he told CBC Radio, “but modern shotguns are actually over-bored – they’re larger than 18.5 millimeters to allow you*to screw in attachments called chokes. It’s very common. Most modern shotguns are made that way and that they are almost all larger than 20 millimeters.”

If Minister Blair doesn’t want to listen to the opinion of two experts in Canadian firearms law, perhaps he will agree with the experts in one of the agencies he oversees.

The Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) Memorandum D19-13-2, issued May 29, 2019, defines BORE as:

"The inside of the barrel of a firearm, from the throat to the*muzzle, through which the projectile travels."

By the CBSA’s definition, it may be all 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns – not just those with removable chokes – are now Prohibited firearms because they do not consider the forcing cone, the “throat” of the barrel, which exceeds the 20 mm maximum bore*diameter specified in SOR/2020-96.

Will Minister Blair support the CBSA opinion that meshes with two of Canada’s top legal experts in firearms law?
Or will he toss them under the bus because he can’t admit he made a huge mistake?

We demand Minister Bill Blair immediately rescind SOR/2020-96 until such time as he can figure out what he’s doing.
It’s clear he hasn’t figured out what he’s doing yet, and all Canadian hunters and sport shooters may pay the price for his incompetence.

Fixing this particular (among many) problem requires the addition of two little words: “except shotguns.” That it is so easy to fix yet Blair refuses to make the change, tells us the wording was intentional. Minister Bill Blair promised to call us the*next day to clarify the OiC. Two and a half days later... we're still waiting. More to come. - TB
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Fri May 08, 2020 6:14 pm

Important Alert: New Canadian Gun Ban Poses Risks for Exported American Shotguns

http://www2.nssf.org/webmail/127421/320079709/90e5324250e0ab22561ed5d0c0020f8535459ec8938d4cd8fc30e9262467ee1a
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