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[Golden Eagle]

One bit of advice. If you shoot the .22mag cylinder - wear ear protection!
I had one years ago and went hunting with the .22mag. One cylinder full over a few hours and I was at the doctor getting my ears examined/tested the next day!

I know what you mean wabi. heck, I even used muffs to shoot the long rifles out of it so far. I ruined my ears years ago with a 460 Weatherby Magnum so I really watch any more, even at work in noisy situations.

[Boo]

Nice piece in that interesting photo.
Can't take that out in Canada
I only wish.

Even if you register the hand gun your not permitted to carrie one?

You can't remove the handgun from your property where the gun resides without permission to transport. If you live in the city and want to take it to your cottage to practice then you have to get authorisation to transport.

You can use it all you want but transporting it is restricted.

A carry permit allows one to transport (not wear) a handgun or an "assault" rifles to an "approved" gun range only in a locked concealed container. A permit holder is not permitted by law to fire it any where else. I am not aware of any permits that allow transport to anywhere else accept to the US border or airport when one wants to hunt out of the country. There are exceptions for law enforcement and proven life protection which are few and far between.
Edit:I edited this for paranoid security purposes. I didn't want this to hang around.

[Normous]

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[Grizzly Adam]

I really am sorry that you Canucks have to live under such oppressive firearms laws. Your government has succeeded in punishing the innocent by enacting "broom" laws that sweep across an entire populace, thus crippling your ability to defend and enjoy yourself. Truly sad.

I'm glad it's not gotten that bad here, although I really fear the future, especially with the current Democratic strength in place and the cast of 2008 presidential hopefuls. There are many in our country who are rabidly bent on taking firearms out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. May their tribe decrease.

One thing we've got going for us is what's left of the principle of state's rights vs. federal domination ... and fortunately, when it comes to handgun possession, most states are "shall issue" jurisdictions ... in other words, if you don't have a felony on your record, and your background check is clean, you cannot be refused a personal carry permit.

April and I are both NC Concealed Carry Permit holders.

Many states have reciprocal agreements through which they recognize valid permits from other states.

God bless America!

God bless Canada too ... do ya'll think there's any chance of overturning your restrictive laws?

[Pydpiper]

Looks like our laws in Canada will get worse before they get better, we some advantageous laws too though. Our shotgun laws are pretty cool, so is our ability to transport non-restricted weapons.
I have a carry permit for Michigan and Florida, well I used to.. They are probably expired, never put much thought into it.
The laws here, although strict, make for a pretty laid back environment, one I would not trade for the ability to carry a gun on my person. There are parts of the government who push a little too hard but for the most part it is a nice balance. I was raised in the US, and am a US citizen but reside in Canada, so I had a chance to see both sides of it. I always owned guns in the States but never hunted with them, just owned them because I could, and spent a lot of time at ranges.
An interesting thing happened to me yesterday in the bank, I had just left the range from sighting in a new scope, had a half box of .17 HMR shells in my pocket, I was in line and the place was busy.. I stuck my gloved hand in my pocket to get a pen and when I pulled it out the plastic box crashed to the ground and bullets went everywhere! What a noise.. Everyone in line stopped what they were doing to help me pick them up. I was horrifyingly embarrassed but I couldn't help but wonder what would have happened in some countries or larger cities if a guy in the bank suddenly spilled 30 bullets on the bank floor during a busy time. A nice elderly Lady emptied her mini Kleenex box for me to put my bullets back into.

[Grizzly Adam]

I pulled it out the plastic box crashed to the ground and bullets went everywhere! I couldn't help but wonder what would have happened in some countries or larger cities if a guy in the bank suddenly spilled 30 bullets on the bank floor during a busy time.

Shoot first, ask questions later?

I once visited in Ottawa, Ontario ... and was amazed that you could just walk up to and into the government buildings (at least you could then, if I remember correctly).

Even so ... if you want to see "laid back" ... come visit Gum Neck ... or Tyrrell County, for that matter!

Population: 4,500 ... where guns outnumber people!

[Boo]

To tell you what it is like Grizz, if what happed to Sax happened to me I would likely have been charged by the Police in this city. I may or may not be convicted of unsafe storage but it would cost me thousands of dollars in legal fees. I think two years ago a man in Toronto had his condo or apartment broken in to. Apparently it took a very long time to cut into his gun safe and stole his firearms. He was in Florida on vacation and avoided repatriation because the police were waiting for him. I do not know if and when he returned.
Does anyone else remember this and or his name?

[Pydpiper]

I remember that story but not the name.. By "long time getting in" I think it was days they spent hacking it up, torches, specialty tools, the whole nine yards.
There was another one in Toronto, a guy brought home all his shooting clubs clay and shells for a weekend shoot (a lot of them), a neighbor watched him unload into the house for overnight storage, she/he called the police and he too was charged heavily.

[Grizzly Adam]

So what guns can ya'll have, and how must they be stored?

[Boo]

We live in somewhat of a police state that is controlled by unknowledgeable citiots who know squat about firearms and is kept scared by politicians and the media. Instead of concentrating on the root of the problem they attack what they find easy to attack, law-abiding citizens. They have tried to outlaw firearms in general in my city. Politicians and media tell the general public that we have to get rid of guns rather than address the real problems. Instead of making really serious laws with teeth they go after hunters and shooters who do not want to harm others. The media miss-informs to sell papers. The politicians do it to get voted back in. The media and the politicians feed each other and it's a vicious circle. Instead of correcting the way children think they miss-lead their parents.
There are vaious classes of firearms. Restricted which allows for use and ownership with a conveyance permit from your place of storage (home or business and locked up) to an approved destination. There is prohibited which is full auto and short barreled firearms. Then there is sportsman's firearms but some guns may have a magazine of 5 shots or less. All have to be in "safe storage" and must not be visible by peering eyes. If you park your car with a rifle in a case and it is visible via the window you are charged. If you have a glassed case with firearms in it visible from outside your house you're toast. It goes on and on.
Politicians and the media could give a rat's ass about the truth!
I'm finished using the soap box.

[Pydpiper]

We can buy any rifle, shotgun or combination and use them for their intended purpose, hunting, target shooting,... But the law gets sticky with what the Canadian government calls "restricted". A handgun, a rifle that does not fall within a certain size limit, "X" amount of inches.. It is fairly simple to acquire a PAL, a license to purchase, own or sell non-restricted firearms, like shotguns, any hunting rifle (provided it isn't an assault rifle or an imitation of one). Once you have a PAL you can buy a gun, hunt with it, shoot it for fun.. whatever you want, it only gets sticky when a guy/gal decides to buy a handgun, or another restricted gun like the very cool Beretta CX-Storm, it also requires a different licence.
No hoops for an average guy, outside of registering each sale or purchase with the Chief Firearms Officer, CFO. However, what is cool is our laws on shotguns (I LOVE SHOTGUNS!) varies from the US, in our benefit. We can own/use any shotgun barrel length as long as it came that way from the factory.. So we can buy and use a 12.5" barrel for an 870 and it is non-registered, put a folding stock on it and suddenly it become illegal for a typical gun owner, goofy laws I know, but it's what you have to do to conform.
We can store non-restricted weapons in the open for anyone to see if it is locked (trigger, action) and away from ammunition (unless that gun is in a place where it is used for safety against wild animals, cabins, camping..). Here where I live I can store my tactical 870 on my wall in my living room if it is trigger/cable locked and no ammo is in view, if I happen to be having a problem with coyotes that evening I can store the same gun in an accessible area, within reach of ammo.
Funny thing here is that the laws are very vague, they are written to give the authority the upper hand, there is no definitive "safe storage" guidelines, it is up to the investigating officer to take the guns, and for you and your money to try to get them back if things go south. Boo's example of the guy who's safe took days to get in to, torches and other goodies and the guy still got charged, yet a closed door with a lock is defined as "legal storage".
The moral here is if you own a gun, do so with responsibility, or you will lose them. Problem is all the political stuff that was mentioned in the post above mine, they keep it all grey to keep us on our toes.
But hey, we get free health care and world class beer..

[Boo]

David, if I store my rifle in plain view, trigger locked or not and someone breaks in and steals it I will be charged. The exception is for people in the country. Even in the country the discretion is in the hands of the officer in charge. It is illegal for me to possess a firearm for my personal protection here in the city. If I were to put a firearm next to my bed, loaded and ready it is considered illegal. Even a baseball bat kept in a car for protection is illegal. The law allows for an officer or a crown attorney to criminally charge you from different angles. They can charge your for public endangerment for almost anything from a can of pepper spray to a baseball bat, to a cut off hockey stick to a high heel shoe. By way of admission you will be charged and convicted but no under a firearms law.

[Golden Eagle]

Were those Bisleys you had posted this morning Boo?
Beautiful.

[Pydpiper]

I am sure you can display a non-restricted if it is locked by a trigger or cable lock, legally.
It can be displayed in a room without any form of a lock if that room requires any force to open it, like a deadbolt, or key operated knob, and the person who holds the registration is the only key holder.
I'll have to look deeper into this though..

*EDIT* Found it.. The bold print is department of justice, not me.

Display
A non-restricted firearm may be displayed only if it is:
-unloaded, and
-rendered inoperable by using a secure locking device
or
stored in a securely locked container, receptacle or room that cannot be easily broken open, or into; and
-not displayed with and not within easy access to ammunition that can be discharged from it

Here is the country related stuff while I am at it..

In areas where it is legal to discharge a firearm, a non-restricted firearm used for predator control may be stored temporarily unlocked, and out in the open, as long as it is unloaded and not readily available to ammunition.

In a remote area where hunting might reasonably occur, a non-restricted firearm may be stored unlocked, out in the open and accessible to ammunition as long as the firearm is unloaded.

[Grizzly Adam]

... if things go south ...

Hey! Wait a minute!

I must protest that phraseology!

South ain't bad ... South is good!

Things are better down here! When I lived in an adjacent county, the sheriff offered to give me a number of pre-signed "Permit-to-Purchase-a-Handgun" forms, so I wouldn't have to drive the fifteen miles to his office any time I wanted to buy another!

Shoot ... law officers around here don't mind you having guns. They expect it ... and approve it. No storage laws. You can ride right down the road with a loaded rifle or shotgun beside you, or hanging in the back window ... and any handgun in plain view, whether you're concealed carry or not. If you have a CC permit, all you're required to do is tell any officer who approaches that you're armed. He cannot challenge that, or take it away unless you're arrested, though he can ask to see the permit (hardly any ever do). The vast majority never raise an eyebrow. Unless we're in some incorporated area with it's own restrictions, we can shoot 'em where and when we like (mostly) ... and for any reason.

All in all, we're still fairly free in Caroline. Don't mind me if I pose a toast to us:


Here's to the land of the long leaf pine,
The summer land where the sun doth shine,
Where the weak grow strong and the strong grow great,
Here's to "Down Home," the Old North State!

Here's to the land of the cotton bloom white,
Where the scuppernong perfumes the breeze at night,
Where the soft southern moss and jessamine mate,
'Neath the murmuring pines of the Old North State!

Here's to the land where the galax grows,
Where the rhododendron's rosette glows,
Where soars Mount Mitchell's summit great,
In the "Land of the Sky," in the Old North State!

Here's to the land where maidens are fair,
Where friends are true and cold hearts rare,
The near land, the dear land, whatever fate,
The blest land, the best land, the Old North State!


I know Ray and a few others will raise a glass!